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    Default Re: Quick Line out (not quick throw in)

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Was the "lineout" properly formed including straight lines, 1m apart, and everyone else 10m back, and a red player in the tramline ?

    I wouldn't allow the OP as described as a valid lineout .
    What if Black captain says to you at the coin toss, "Occasionally we like to go quickly on our throw into the lineout Sir".
    What is your reply?

    What tactics would you be prepared to allow Red to use to slow down the lineout?

    Are you, as the referee, going to deliberately slow down the taking of the lineout so that it all looks textbook perfect to your eye?
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    Default Re: Quick Line out (not quick throw in)

    This thread is about managing a team that is trying to hold a surprise lineout, by going very quickly .. I gave my answer for the OP scenario . Reset the lineout .

    Do you have another particular scenario in mind ? Hit me ..


    (Managing teams that are trying slow things down is a different topic ... )

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    Default Re: Quick Line out (not quick throw in)

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    This thread is about managing a team that is trying to hold a surprise lineout, by going very quickly .. I gave my answer for the OP scenario . Reset the lineout .
    Or: Managing a team who are acting compliance with the law.

    If you have a law reference for holding it, then that's what we need. A "surprise" lineout that complies with law is their right; if the other team is taken by surprise, I'd rather tactfully suggest that they waken up. Referees shouldn't be in the business of pandering.
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    Default Re: Quick Line out (not quick throw in)

    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    Or: Managing a team who are acting compliance with the law.

    If you have a law reference for holding it, then that's what we need. A "surprise" lineout that complies with law is their right; if the other team is taken by surprise, I'd rather tactfully suggest that they waken up. Referees shouldn't be in the business of pandering.
    How many players from the non-throwing team do you require to be in position to allow the quick throw in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    All our guidance is to work hard at getting line outs set up correcty - and then they run smoothly.
    This one sounds like chaos.

    I think if you let that go all the red team, all the spectators and (in fact) most of the black team will all think you announced that the QTI was off - and then let them take one. There is nothing in it for the ref in this circumstance.


    I think there are two ways to return a ball fro touch
    - a QTI which is unstrucutre, informal and quick
    - a lineout which is strucutred, formal, and is properly set up

    The OP is neither one nor the other, and doesn't sound like good game management.
    I'd agree for the first lineout of the match to each team (so first red throw and first black throw) but after that I am not going to call back a team for employing a quick line out if they want to play up tempo rugby as long as we have 2 from each side and the ball is thrown straight.

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    Default Re: Quick Line out (not quick throw in)

    Quote Originally Posted by Drift View Post
    I'd agree for the first lineout of the match to each team (so first red throw and first black throw) but after that I am not going to call back a team for employing a quick line out if they want to play up tempo rugby as long as we have 2 from each side and the ball is thrown straight.
    But Drift the law requirement is 3 from each side (thrower, opponent to thrower and 2 participating players). Why 2?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    But Drift the law requirement is 3 from each side (thrower, opponent to thrower and 2 participating players). Why 2?
    2 players along the line of touch. For a quick lineout if there isn't a player in the channel then just play a quick FK advantage, ball gets the to backs is advantage over, no need to stop a team wanted to expose the defence for relaxing.

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    Default Re: Quick Line out (not quick throw in)

    Quote Originally Posted by Drift View Post
    I'd agree for the first lineout of the match to each team (so first red throw and first black throw) but after that I am not going to call back a team for employing a quick line out if they want to play up tempo rugby as long as we have 2 from each side and the ball is thrown straight.
    An up tempo line out implies that we have a lineout. So great

    Throwing the ball into a general melee, a split second after I have said the no QTI (the scenario in the OP ) is just chaos

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    Some guidance on managing lineouts
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