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    Default Re: Quick Line out (not quick throw in)

    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    But the throwing team haven't declared they're having a shortened LO. Would you ping the non-throwing team for having too many players if they had 3 players and the throwing team only had 2? Unless they state otherwise, I'll make them wait every time for the LO to be properly formed. Unless they take a QTI, but this isn't permissible under these circumstances.
    This is covered in Law 18.14:
    Unless the throw is taken as soon as the lineout is formed, the non-throwing team may not have more players (but may have fewer players) in the lineout than the throwing team. Sanction: Free-kick.
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    Default Re: Quick Line out (not quick throw in)

    so there you have it. the law makers have rather made it clear that it is possible to throw the ball in "quickly" while the LO is being "put together".


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    But read the definition of a line out
    It's a set piece.
    The shortcut is a QTI

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I would make the kicking team wait until the receiving team were all behind the 10m line . As per the Laws
    So as soon as the requirements are met, you would allow them to kick. But not by surprise? There is no such requirements for 22DOs so those could be done as quickly as the kicking team like?

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    Default Re: Quick Line out (not quick throw in)

    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    But the throwing team haven't declared they're having a shortened LO. Would you ping the non-throwing team for having too many players if they had 3 players and the throwing team only had 2? Unless they state otherwise, I'll make them wait every time for the LO to be properly formed. Unless they take a QTI, but this isn't permissible under these circumstances.
    That's how I would have done it before, and get the numbers right. But now we have 18.14 that says the non throwing team is not liable to sanction for "numbers" if the throwing team throws in as soon as the LO is formed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    So as soon as the requirements are met, you would allow them to kick. But not by surprise? There is no such requirements for 22DOs so those could be done as quickly as the kicking team like?
    Correct

    For a restart everyone has to be in position

    For a 22m DO they don't (but players caught in front of the kicker are offside in general play, as for any kick)

    But that's standard stuff right, surely you don't disagree

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    Default Re: Quick Line out (not quick throw in)

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    For a restart everyone has to be in position

    • 12.5 When the ball is kicked:
      • Team-mates of the kicker must be behind the ball. Sanction: Scrum.
      • Opposition players must be on or behind the 10-metre line.


    That is a change from the previous law book, which failed to deal with restart kicks properly.
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    Too many threads on this same topic.
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    Default Re: Quick Line out (not quick throw in)

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Correct

    For a restart everyone has to be in position

    For a 22m DO they don't (but players caught in front of the kicker are offside in general play, as for any kick)

    But that's standard stuff right, surely you don't disagree
    No. Just...no.
    The lineout law makes that clear.

    They want a dummy hooker. But a lineout can proceed without one, subject to sanction.
    They want numbers to match (or defenders be less). But the law I cited makes it clear that the lineout can proceed if the numbers mismatch.

    Please stop making things up. You are at odds with the law.
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    Default Re: Quick Line out (not quick throw in)

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Lineout: A lineout is a set piece consisting of a line of at least two players from each team waiting to receive a throw from touch
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    I don't think you can have a surprise lineout , any more than you can have a surprise scrum or a surprise restart kick

    Even for those of you who think a surprise lineout is technically possible, I would suggest it's not good game management ... You won't he thanked for it
    If there are two players from each team at the LoT, and the non-throwing team are surprised when the throwing team throw the ball in, then they need to do a few things

    1. Read the Law book.
    2. Get better coaching.
    3. Learn what "situational awareness" means.
    4. Wake up.
    5. Get their collective arses into gear
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