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    Default Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

    So a long time sponsor of London Irish has different values for m London Irish, and so one money pot dries up.

    Another interesting battle of values , played out on the rugby field ... We have :
    What actually happened that night and what do we think about it
    The trial and what do we think of the verdict
    The text messages ...
    The power of Redemption .. how can that be earned ?

    Another one that will run and run

    Do I think he should be banned from rugby? No
    Would I hire him in my club ? No

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-no...eland-48629949
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    Default Re: Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

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    Would I hire him in my club ? No
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    Why not?

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    Default Re: Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

    Diageo are the second sponsors.

    They are well within their rights.
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    Tullamore Dew, the Afghan Wigs, and many, many strippers - how to get over your ex. How true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Why not?
    The obvious reasons .. the texts, my judgement about what actually happened .. my values,

    If you owned a rugby club, would you hire him ?

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    Firstly... not guilty does not mean you are innocent, it means the charges against you couldn't meet the very high threshold of beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The peripheral bad stuff in Jackson and Olding's behaviour, combined with their obvious character flaws would make them not compatible with the culture of any of the teams I support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    The obvious reasons .. the texts, my judgement about what actually happened .. my values,

    If you owned a rugby club, would you hire him ?
    he seems genuinely contrite. What would he have to do now for you to welcome him?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    he seems genuinely contrite. What would he have to do now for you to welcome him?
    Does he ? I thought he still maintains his innocence.

    Generally speaking I do believe in the possibility of earning redemption so I am open to the possibility of a club employing him.

    I don't think I would. But having said that while I followed the trial I haven't really paid attention to how he has conducted himself since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Does he ? I thought he still maintains his innocence.

    Generally speaking I do believe in the possibility of earning redemption so I am open to the possibility of a club employing him.

    I don't think I would. But having said that while I followed the trial I haven't really paid attention to how he has conducted himself since then.
    but in a general sense, what is the amount of penance you would consider adequate? Or are you saying no amount of penance would ever be enough?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    but in a general sense, what is the amount of penance you would consider adequate? Or are you saying no amount of penance would ever be enough?
    I already said, speaking generally, I believe in the possibility of earning redemption.

    I don't think it's possible to define a general penance threshold is it ? That has to be judged case by case .

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    Default Re: Inclusiveness in rugby / Paddy Jackson

    I'm with the 'not for me' camp, just like the IRFU the sponsors have their values, he doesn't fit, that's their choice, my values are pretty much in line with them, so if it were my club then I would not welcome him (yet).

    I don't now how long 'yet' is, but I think time is the healer, or at least diluter here (although those closest to the case may never heal), in time with no more incidents, working hard in a positive light, genuine remorse etc then that may change and he'd be more welcome - certainly think he soul have stayed abroad a bit longer

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