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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    BC1 has put it into touch.
    This is not even uncommon, often the oppo will choke tackle a ball carrier and take him into touch, many times they will have a hand on the ball, but BC1 remains in possession and the throw will go to the oppo
    Yes in this scenario as the tackler is a tackler not a BC, despite having a hand on the ball. As he's not in possession, he's not in control or attempting to gain control of the ball. If BC 2 is an opponent, who has both hands firmly on the ball, he is in control and therefore in possession.

    If he then steps onto the touch line, it'll be he that makes the ball dead, so the throw would go to BC 1's team.

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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Hand offs? Not sure of the relevence.

    hand·off

    /ˈhandôf/
    noun
    noun: hand-off


    • an exchange made by handing the ball to a teammate.




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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Not used in UK rugby that way.
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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    Not used in UK rugby that way.
    This is a global rugby referee forum. I am sorry for causing confusion for the Brits among us. I did not mean to elicit a forward fend, or using American parlance a forward "stiff arm" ( yes I know this has another meaning in rugby context too).

    In an effort to create better clarity I will rephrase.

    OB would you consider all action whereby a player hands the ball to another player, in the direction of his/her opponents dead-ball line to also be liable to PK for off-side?

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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    OB would you consider all action whereby a player hands the ball to another player, in the direction of his/her opponents dead-ball line to also be liable to PK for off-side?
    If the receiver is in front of the passer, then I cannot see the action as unintentional. The receiver is therefore penalised for being offside.

    If there is some doubt about their alignment, a scrum might be appropriate.
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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    hand·off

    /ˈhandôf/
    noun
    noun: hand-off


    • an exchange made by handing the ball to a teammate.
    Quote Originally Posted by [B
    SimonSmith[/B]]
    Not used in UK rugby that way.


    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    This is a global rugby referee forum. I am sorry for causing confusion for the Brits among us. I did not mean to elicit a forward fend, or using American parlance a forward "stiff arm" ( yes I know this has another meaning in rugby context too).

    World Rugby differs!

    Hand-off: A permitted action, taken by a ball-carrier to fend off an opponent, using the palm
    of the hand.


    Nothing to do with the Brits. Take it up with Bret G!
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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Play on! The fact that the opponent questions the non-call? Hahahahaha!

    The critical part: Did the support player join the BC from an onside position and take joint possession before the maul rotated? Yes? Then play on.

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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Doughty View Post
    What is the correct decision in this situation?

    The ball carrier (let’s call him BC1) is held up in an attempted tackle and he turns towards his own goal line;
    One of his team mates (let’s call him BC2) comes in from behind him and also gets hold of the ball (so we now have BC1 & BC2 with their hands firmly on the ball);
    The three players end up slowly rotating 180 degrees;
    The BC1 now releases his grip on the ball;
    BC2 breaks free from the mini-maul and continues upfield with the ball;

    Is this a forward pass or not?

    I had this happen in a game last weekend. To me this did not look like a forward pass and I let play continue. However some of the defending team thought it should have been given.

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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    As this is my first post, may I start by saying thanks to all those 'idiots' who have given up their time to give thirty-ish players a game on (normally, in Britain at least) a Saturday afternoon in the seven decades that I managed to put a pair of boots on. I say 'idiots' because why would anyone sensible be prepared to give up time to be moaned at by players who usually don't know the laws anyway.

    It was always instilled in me from early on that the referee's decision was always right, and it is.

    As as regards the initial question, I can see no evidence that the ball definitely went forwards from the hands of player BC1, so I don't see how it could be given as such. The fact that the players are both facing forwards might lead to the assumption that the ball had gone forwards from the hands of BC1. However, a referee can not make a decision based on assumptions. I don't see that the original decision was incorrect.

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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    hand·off
    /ˈhandôf/
    noun
    noun: hand-off
    • an exchange made by handing the ball to a teammate.
    I think you are confusing it with gridiron
    In American football, a hand-off is the act of handing the ball directly from one player to another, i. e. without it leaving the first player's hands. Most rushing plays on offense begin with a handoff from the quarterback to another running back.
    In rugby a hand off is a fend. Context is important.
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