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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I think you an OB are being legalistic
    At the end of the day he give the ball to someone in front of him
    That depends crucially on your view that the original ball carrier has possession until he lets go of it. However what I see is joint possession which does not seem to be covered by current law.

    I'll leave it there. I think we have exhausted the subject and are just spinning our wheels now..
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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Consider the OP but near to touch.

    AS BC1 and BC2 rotate through 180°, BC2 puts his foot into touch. Is ball in touch?

    If yes, change BC2 to an opponent. Who has put ball into touch?
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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    If you hand the ball to a player in front of you,that player is clearly offside. 10.3 refers to an unintentional forward pass. Does the forward pass become intentional if you know the receiver is offside?

    We are treating the laws like a Procrustean bed in the belief that whatever happens on the field, it must be possible to make it fit into the existing wording.
    Would you judge all forward handoffs to be offside?

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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Slow and exaggerated: Blue 10 has the ball, holding it back towards his own goal line, arms outstretched.

    Blue 12 walks up, arms outstretched, and grasps the ball, standing two metres behind 10.

    He then continues walking, the two players twisting to remain facing as he does, until he's over a metre in front of 10, at which point 10 (still standing still) releases the ball.

    There is no way that's a forward pass, nor that anyone watching the game would mistake it for a forward pass. Blue 12 was two metres back when he got his hands on the ball as presented to him. I honestly think that blowing it up would harm your credibility.

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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    Would you judge all forward handoffs to be offside?
    Hand offs? Not sure of the relevence.

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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Consider the OP but near to touch.

    AS BC1 and BC2 rotate through 180°, BC2 puts his foot into touch. Is ball in touch?

    If yes, change BC2 to an opponent. Who has put ball into touch?
    Yes and, since there are two people in possession, apply the current laws as to which ball carrier has caused the ball to go into touch.

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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Consider the OP but near to touch.

    AS BC1 and BC2 rotate through 180°, BC2 puts his foot into touch. Is ball in touch?

    If yes, change BC2 to an opponent. Who has put ball into touch?
    BC1 has put it into touch.
    This is not even uncommon, often the oppo will choke tackle a ball carrier and take him into touch, many times they will have a hand on the ball, but BC1 remains in possession and the throw will go to the oppo

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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    I honestly think that blowing it up would harm your credibility.
    The old "if you don't agree with my view then your credibility will be damaged" is a well worn & transparent device.

    Interestingly, the OP went your way and suffered a credibility crisis with one of the teams.
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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    BC1 has put it into touch.
    This is not even uncommon, often the oppo will choke tackle a ball carrier and take him into touch, many times they will have a hand on the ball, but BC1 remains in possession and the throw will go to the oppo
    That's not the question - BC1 doesn't go into touch here. BC2 is wrestling for the ball, his feet go C&O into touch, BC1 still in the field of play. Your call?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    The old "if you don't agree with my view then your credibility will be damaged" is a well worn & transparent device.

    Interestingly, the OP went your way and suffered a credibility crisis with one of the teams.
    You always suffer a credibility crisis with one team on a controversial call with a try at stake not with both teams and all the spectators, which is what I'm suggesting for the case I described.

    You would honestly blow that up as a forward pass, with Blue 12 receiving the ball 2m behind Blue 10, because 10 doesn't release it immediately?

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    Default Re: Is this a forward pass?

    more pinheads then.

    A1 carries ball into what becomes amaul
    A2 grasps the ball entering form behind A1.
    Both A1 ad A2 have joint grasp of the ball.

    the maul moves forward a couple of metres. The maul then spins such that A2 is not in front of A1. Both still have control of the ball.

    the maul moves forward a cople of metres more. the ,aul now spins again. Now A1 id in front of A2. Both still have control of the ball.

    1) A2 disengages with the ball and is in sole possession. Is this a forward pass as posession has at leats been shared whilst A2 was in front of A1.

    2) A1 disengages with the ball and is in sole possession. Is this a forward pass as possession has at least been shared whilst A1 was in front of A2, having been previously behind A2.



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