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    Default retaken conversion

    this will sound like one of those contrived law quiz questions but genuinely happened to me yesterday.

    Red are leading 36 - 29 when Blue score a try right on full time so 36 - 34.

    Blue take conversion, chargers yell out and conversion misses.

    So I order a retake - so far so good.

    Blue decide to change kickers. Red bench goes ape-shit "has to be same kicker!", etc

    I allow new kicker who, of course, successfully takes conversion. FT: 36 all draw.

    Red team less than happy.

    So 2 questions:

    1. was I right, in law, to allow a change to kicker?, and
    2. even if I was right, have I made the final score about myself and would it have been better management to enforce the same kicker?
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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    Is this even covered in law?

    And you were in a no-win situation; you HAD to make a decision... I wouldn't have faulted you either way.
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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    Hmmmm....

    THE OPPOSING TEAM AT A CONVERSION

    14. All opposing players retire to their goal line and do not overstep that line until the kicker
    begins the approach to kick. When the kicker does this, they may charge or jump to
    prevent a goal but must not be physically supported by other players in these actions.

    15. The team must not shout during a conversion attempt.

    Sanction: If the opposing team at a conversion attempt infringes but the kick is successful,
    the goal stands. If the kick is unsuccessful, the kicker retakes the conversion and the opposing
    team is not allowed to charge. When another kick is allowed, the kicker may repeat all the
    preparations. The kicker may change the type of kick.


    16. If the ball falls over after the kicker begins the approach to kick, the opponents may
    continue to charge.

    17. If the opposition touches the ball and the kick is successful, the goal stands.


    Now, if one was being a pedantic, jobsworth grammar Nazi, one could interpret "the kicker" as meaning that it must be the same kicker (and I can think of at least one other member here who would probably do so just to be a contrarian)

    While the Law does not specifically say you can change the kicker, it also does not say you cannot - the Laws appear to be silent on this matter. I can imagine a scenario where the kicker might pull groin muscle it taking the kick (Like Jack Debreczeni did yesterday in Jags v Chiefs). It would be most unfair to demand that he retake the kick.


    IMO, you got it right.
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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    thanks both. Any thoughts on my question #2?

    I wouldn't want to favour the squeaky wheel but I'm also mindful that Red are now blaming the ref for the outcome.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    thanks both. Any thoughts on my question #2?

    I wouldn't want to favour the squeaky wheel but I'm also mindful that Red are now blaming the ref for the outcome.
    IMO

    Q1 - Yes, you were right to allow a change of kicker.

    Q2 - No, the law supports you, not them. If you had not allowed a change of kicker, then that could have been construed as you making up stuff.
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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    Unfortunately the Law book is clear enough ..


    Sanction: If the opposing team at a conversion attempt infringes but the kick is successful, the goal stands. If the kick is unsuccessful, the kicker retakes the conversion



    For comparison see the Law when oppo infringes at a restart

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    When the ball is kicked:

    Team-mates of the kicker must be behind the ball. Sanction: Scrum.
    Opposition players must be on or behind the 10-metre line. Sanction: The kick is retaken.
    Last edited by crossref; 3 Weeks Ago at 07:06.

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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    What would you have done if the first kicker injured himself and couldn’t take the retake? I have been on the pitch when our kicker has taken the conversion and had to go straight off because of a tweaked hamstring.

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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Unfortunately the Law book is clear enough ..


    Sanction: If the opposing team at a conversion attempt infringes but the kick is successful, the goal stands. If the kick is unsuccessful, the kicker retakes the conversion



    For comparison see the Law when oppo infringes at a restart

    .
    When the ball is kicked:

    Team-mates of the kicker must be behind the ball. Sanction: Scrum.
    Opposition players must be on or behind the 10-metre line. Sanction: The kick is retaken.
    I contend that the kicker is the player with the ball at the time of the kick, m'lud
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    What advantage can a team get by changing the Kicker? Ie why not allow it? As long it’s a player who was on the pitch at the time?

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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    What would you have done if the first kicker injured himself and couldn’t take the retake? I have been on the pitch when our kicker has taken the conversion and had to go straight off because of a tweaked hamstring.
    Then I'd let someone else take it, what would you do ?

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