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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    There you go again ..

    But if you had said. . the Law says same kicker, but probably better game management to allow them to change. .. that would be a defensible viewpoint
    Last edited by crossref; 23-06-19 at 14:06.

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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    [unnecessary comment redacted]

    But if you had said. . the Law says same kicker, but probably better game management to allow them to change. .. that would be a defensible viewpoint
    ... and if you had said "the surface reading suggests the same person should take the kick, but in practice it would seem unrealistic to insist on that" then we would not be having an argument.


    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I haven't analysed the grammar and nuance !! It's just the plain meaning of the sentence.

    So - I'd apply the Laws as written - the kicker must retake the kick
    However you take the legalistic line, even though it has been pointed out countless times that the "Laws" are not actually written in legal language.

    The laws are not perfect (as you yourself have sometimes pointed out) so we have to referee then sensibly, not rigidly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    ... and if you had said "the surface reading suggests the same person should take the kick, but in practice it would seem unrealistic to insist on that" then we would not be having an argument.



    However you take the legalistic line, even though it has been pointed out countless times that the "Laws" are not actually written in legal language.

    The laws are not perfect (as you yourself have sometimes pointed out) so we have to referee then sensibly, not rigidly.
    Common sense OB. Not all are born with it!

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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    I think when the Law is clear , you have to stick with it, don't youl?

    Even if you don't like it

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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    I think the correct decision was made, as was already pointed out.
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    The team must not shout during a conversion attempt.
    Sanction: If the opposing team at a conversion attempt infringes but the kick is successful, the goal stands. If the kick is unsuccessful, the kicker retakes the conversion and the opposing team is not allowed to charge.When another kick is allowed, the kicker may repeat all the preparations. The kicker may change the type of kick.
    Red didn’t win simply because they infringed. Blaming the match referee is nothing more than sour grapes. They and their coach should look at controlling things in their control, ie numpties who cannot prevent themselves from shouting.

    Crossref, if the law meant the same kicker, don’t you think they would have included that particular adjective?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Then I'd let someone else take it, what would you do ?
    Yes I would. I was merely raising the point that if you allow a change of kicker for an injury then why not for any reason. If it is universally accepted, in law or without law, that you would accept a change of kicker through injury then allow it anyway because if I was a coach I would merely ask my first kicker to feign injury so it could happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    Yes I would. I was merely raising the point that if you allow a change of kicker for an injury then why not for any reason. If it is universally accepted, in law or without law, that you would accept a change of kicker through injury then allow it anyway because if I was a coach I would merely ask my first kicker to feign injury so it could happen.
    Yes , but then he would have to leave the field

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Yes , but then he would have to leave the field
    Why? Depends on injury. Stubbed toe on first kick? (Perhaps shows my age and kicking style.��) I’ve played on with broken bones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    Why? Depends on injury. Stubbed toe on first kick? (Perhaps shows my age and kicking style.��) I’ve played on with broken bones.
    A player who is too injured to take a kick at goal, but is ok to play on? That's a real edge case. I will reserve my decision on that one until I encounter it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    A player who is too injured to take a kick at goal, but is ok to play on? That's a real edge case. I will reserve my decision on that one until I encounter it !
    I can remember playing on with a broken/cracked metatarsal. I didn’t realise how painful it was until I attempted my first penalty after ten minutes. I played on because it was only x-rayed after the game. I thought it was a bad bruise from a stamp after two minutes. I was replaced as a kicker for the remainder of the game. Are you suggesting that players are a bit softer nowadays?

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