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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    See @crossref - this is where I disagree, the Law isn't written that specifically. The kicker could be the person designated to take the kick. There is nothing to specify that it must be the same kicker. I understand that the phrase "the kicker" could also mean the original kicker, but it doesn't say one way or the other.

    I agree clarification will be good though.

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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    See @crossref - this is where I disagree, the Law isn't written that specifically. The kicker could be the person designated to take the kick. There is nothing to specify that it must be the same kicker. I understand that the phrase "the kicker" could also mean the original kicker, but it doesn't say one way or the other.

    I agree clarification will be good though.
    Agree. Law refers to "captain". Does that mean team can't change captain during the game?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Sanction: If the kick is unsuccessful, the kicker retakes the conversion


    It's pretty clear what the Law says

    If 'the kicker' meant the same thing as 'any kicker' (as you claim) then Rugby Australia wouldn't have to ask WR for a "clarification"

    The Law as written isn't very equitable.

    For all the reasons given above I agree it would be fairer to allow a change of kicker, hence the need for a "clarification" to make that possible.

    I wouldn't fault Dickie for his on field decision. Faced with the same scenario I would not have known for certain what the Law Book said, so I would have made what seemed like the fairer / sensible call and let them change , as Dickie did.

    Afterwards in the dressing room I would have consulted the Law Book and thought "oops" . As no doubt Dickie did !
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    So, as Dickie states above, the Law refers to "the captain" too. I take it you wouldn't allow a change of captain mid game? This isn't hypothetical situation, I have had my club captain nominate someone else as the match captain coz he'd "had enough of the refs sh*t." To be fair the ref was particularly rubbish and he was getting more and more exasperated. The ref missed 2 high tackles in the opening 60 seconds (one of which was on me).

    Again while it doesn't say you're allowed to change kicker, it doesn't state you can't. That is what I'm guessing the clarification is being requested for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    So, as Dickie states above, the Law refers to "the captain" too. .
    Which Law are you talking about ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Which Law are you talking about ?

    7.2.d - The offending team commits a second or subsequent infringement from which no advantage can be gained. The referee stops play and allows the captain of the non-offending team to choose the most advantageous sanction

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Sanction: If the kick is unsuccessful, the kicker retakes the conversion
    It's pretty clear what the Law says[/quote]You are entitled to your view, but are not entitled to claim it is the only possible one.

    If 'the kicker' meant the same thing as 'any kicker' (as you claim) then Rugby Australia wouldn't have to ask WR for a "clarification"
    The point has been raised that others might take the same view as you. Reason enough for a clarification.

    If it turned out to be anything other than "the kicker does not have to be the same one", I would be very surprised (and puzzled).
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    It's pretty clear what the Law says

    If 'the kicker' meant the same thing as 'any kicker' (as you claim) then Rugby Australia wouldn't have to ask WR for a "clarification"
    If it were clear, they wouldn't have to ask either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    If it were clear, they wouldn't have to ask either.
    I think it's because the obvious meaning, the natural meaning (or surface meaning as OB called it) leads to an unwelcome result . Which is exactly why everyone wants to ignore it

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I think it's because the obvious meaning, the natural meaning (or surface meaning as OB called it) leads to an unwelcome result . Which is exactly why everyone wants to ignore it
    = Use a more sensible reading.
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