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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    I disagree. The 30 seconds are the player's privilege, not your grace.

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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    I disagree. The 30 seconds are the player's privilege, not your grace.
    Ok so I award a try and tell the player we have 28 seconds left. He promptly places the ball on the tee and proceedes to sit down. Checking how much of the 28 seconds is left at regular intervals, all whilst staying in a sitting position. You think that would be acceptable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Ok so I award a try and tell the player we have 28 seconds left. He promptly places the ball on the tee and proceedes to sit down. Checking how much of the 28 seconds is left at regular intervals, all whilst staying in a sitting position. You think that would be acceptable?
    I wouldn't have a problem with it. He can do what he likes with the 30 secs IMO
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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    I do think they should change the Law, though . I would like to see it that if there is still time on the clock when the try is scored then we have a restart

    Alternatively we could stop the watch for all conversions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I wouldn't have a problem with it. He can do what he likes with the 30 secs IMO
    We will need to agree to differ. For me the time if to allow the preparation for the kick. I think the term is "manage it".

    Back to OP I seem no reason, in law, to prevent another player taking the second kick.

    And on that point I'm out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Ok so I award a try and tell the player we have 28 seconds left. He promptly places the ball on the tee and proceedes to sit down. Checking how much of the 28 seconds is left at regular intervals, all whilst staying in a sitting position. You think that would be acceptable?
    I tell him the time once.

    Are you going to lie about the time, fabricate an offence, or make up a reason to stop the clock? I don't think any of them reflect well on a referee, and all leave you open to the charge of favouring the other team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I do think they should change the Law, though . I would like to see it that if there is still time on the clock when the try is scored then we have a restart

    Alternatively we could stop the watch for all conversions
    Interesting thoughts, but I would take this a bit further and combine these?


    • Try scored;
    • Clock stops;
    • Referee consults with AR's and TMO to ensure the try is valid, once it is declare as valid no further reviewing;
    • Scoring team decide whether they want to attempt a conversion;
    • If they do want an attempt, 30 seconds to kick a conversion attempt;
    • If time remaining or failed to attempt a conversion within 30 seconds,
      • Line up on halfway line for restart,
      • Clock starts;
      • Restart the game and continue play

    • If no time remaining, blow whistle to end of the half/game.

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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    Back to the OP.

    The kick is to be re-taken. The kicker is the player about to take the kick. The previous kick is a no-op, it never happened so the kicker is the player now designated not the previous.

    Now . . . .

    if the kicker's team had a player in the sin-bin and his time expired as the first kick was taken could he now enter the field and take the kick? Yep, I think so.

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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    here's the latest.

    I had a referee coach with me on Saturday and we discussed the incident post match.

    Due to the ambiguity, he kicked it upstairs to Rugby Australia.

    Apparently the question has now gone to WR!

    You've heard of the Giteau Law ... watch this space for the Dickie Clarification
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    Default Re: retaken conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    here's the latest.

    I had a referee coach with me on Saturday and we discussed the incident post match.

    Due to the ambiguity, he kicked it upstairs to Rugby Australia.

    Apparently the question has now gone to WR!

    You've heard of the Giteau Law ... watch this space for the Dickie Clarification
    Excellent.

    For all the reasons people give in this thread the Law should be that you can change the kicker.

    Unfortunately the way the Law written is that you can't

    A clarification is a good idea
    Last edited by crossref; 26-06-19 at 06:06.

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