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    Default Re: New scrum law to be introduced immediately, apparently...

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    So the idea is that it hurts the oppo shoulder more than it hurts your head ?

    Craxy
    Not really, it destabilises the opposition hooker because you can carry more load right along your spine than parallel to it.

    Imagine doing a squat with a weighted barbell, then shifting half of the plates one one side to the other and trying again. Same weight, but much harder and far more likely to injure your back/shoulder/neck.

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    I'll take a guess at "Why" . . . .

    Under the previous scrum engagement sequence of CTPE hookers would act as the 'brake' so their props could set up in the 'power' position and lean in to get the hit. This worked 'coz there was enough distance at "Pause" to let them drop in on engage.

    Under CBS with the front row ear-to-ear there is no room to drop in on "Set". It has taken some time for the front rows to figure it out but the props need to have their feet back at "Set" or they'll be in a bad position. If the hooker tries to act as the brake he's going to be the one in a bad position at "Set". So . . . .

    Props start with outside foot up and at "Bind" they take the pressure with a stiff arm bind and move that foot back to where they want it on "set". The hooker, keeping both feet back, leans in on "Bind" and helps take the pressure with his head on the top of his ops shoulder.

    Of course, this all conjecture and they could be doing it just to be dicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    Props start with outside foot up and at "Bind" they take the pressure with a stiff arm bind and move that foot back to where they want it on "set".
    I am certainly seeing a lot more of this than previously. I assume it is legal.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Nothing on WR home page, laws microsite, Facebook or twitter. While it’s entirely possible that WR’s comms department sucks, I have to treat with scepticism the idea that they would have produced a video but then not published it themselves.

    It’s the off-season up here, so “immediate effect” isn’t that immediate, but I’m changing nothing until I see this communicated via an official channel.

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    The thing that doesn't tend to be referred is the requirement for props to support their own weight on at least one foot. If they have both feet back they cannot do this.

    In my experience over 20 years playing tight five most refs at grassroots level don't understand how the scrum works and what props do to gain an advantage.

    As a relatively new ref I try to go through the following checklist as the scrum is setting and it is covered (quickly) in PMB:

    Crouch:

    Six shoulders visible
    Heads not below hips
    Props supporting own weight "tower of power"
    Temple to temple
    No hookers heads on shoulders (just added)

    Bind:

    Props still supporting own weight
    Long binds on back or side
    No pushing
    Feet, hips, shoulders all square

    Set:

    Tight head not binding short on arm and pushing down
    Loosehead not boring in (although that's often a symptom of tight heads pushing down..)
    Ball in straight ish
    Positive hook


    I'd be interested to hear how the experienced refs here approach it. Anything to add to the above that there is realistically time to assess and act upon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tewdric View Post
    The thing that doesn't tend to be referred is the requirement for props to support their own weight on at least one foot. If they have both feet back they cannot do this.
    Each front-row player must have both their feet on the ground, with their weight firmly on at least one foot.


    do these 2 statements mean the same thing?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    thank God for Facebook ... otherwise we'd never know what is going on
    WRU has sent this out to refs.

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    Default Re: New scrum law to be introduced immediately, apparently...

    Quote Originally Posted by tewdric View Post
    The thing that doesn't tend to be referred is the requirement for props to support their own weight on at least one foot. If they have both feet back they cannot do this.

    In my experience over 20 years playing tight five most refs at grassroots level don't understand how the scrum works and what props do to gain an advantage.

    As a relatively new ref I try to go through the following checklist as the scrum is setting and it is covered (quickly) in PMB:

    Crouch:

    Six shoulders visible
    Heads not below hips
    Props supporting own weight "tower of power"
    Temple to temple
    No hookers heads on shoulders (just added)

    Bind:

    Props still supporting own weight
    Long binds on back or side
    No pushing
    Feet, hips, shoulders all square

    Set:

    Tight head not binding short on arm and pushing down
    Loosehead not boring in (although that's often a symptom of tight heads pushing down..)
    Ball in straight ish
    Positive hook


    I'd be interested to hear how the experienced refs here approach it. Anything to add to the above that there is realistically time to assess and act upon?

    Agree basically with the list. Just a question If they have not got long binds: "What action, if any, will you take?"

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