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    Default Re: Samoa v USA

    For me it's a very straightforward PK under 9.23

    Even if 9.23 didn't exist it is self evidently dangerous play

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    For me it's a very straightforward PK under 9.23

    Even if 9.23 didn't exist it is self evidently dangerous play
    At what point, in your view, would it not be dangerous play? 1 metre from the passer, 2, 3, 10?
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    Default Re: Samoa v USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    At what point, in your view, would it not be dangerous play? 1 metre from the passer, 2, 3, 10?
    I can't answer for Crossref but I'm not sure the question has any relevance, a player would not be lifting a foot like that 10m away from another to get the ball.

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    Default Re: Samoa v USA

    I think there's a low risk of injury there, but close.

    I like to think I'd play on but advise him on the quiet that if his boot makes contact with the player we have an altogether different situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    I can't answer for Crossref but I'm not sure the question has any relevance, a player would not be lifting a foot like that 10m away from another to get the ball.
    yes, he would. If the passer bounced his pass to a team mate an opponent would be very likely to put boot to ball. The question is: how close would that need to be to the passer to invoke 9.23. For me, it is if he makes contact with the passer's body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Agree. Half a second earlier the ball was still in the passer's hands. My reading of the clip is that he had (just) released the ball. The passer does not seem to be bothered about his hand. A risky play that will no doubt go wrong if he keeps trying it, but I think the player and referee got it right.
    What was the referee’s decision?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fat View Post
    What was the referee’s decision?
    Samoa Denied Prime Chance
    The rest of the half was physical, with the US dominating territory and possession but unable to score. Samoa found itself on the wrong end of a mistake from Nigel Owens in the 39th minute. Just as the Eagles were making a break in the wide left channel, Samoan wing Johnny Vaili stepped in to stop the two-on-one out wide.
    Had the US pass gone to hand, it could have been a try. However, just as USA fullback Will Hooley released the ball to Iosefo on the wing, Vaili stuck his leg out into mid-air and blocked the pass with his foot. He then scooped the ball with one hand and outran everyone to score.
    But Owens had already blown the play dead, saying his assistant referee had called a knock-on. He had misheard. The AR had actually said “off the foot.” Owens admitted his error and awarded Samoa a scrum, but the damage was done, and halftime came with the USA up 10-7.
    https://www.florugby.com/articles/65...es-samoa-13-10

    sounds as though both ref & AR were happy that there was no foul play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishref View Post

    My tuppence worth: dangerous play and if the kick is half a second earlier we will have a kick to the hand. To my mind a strong message should be sent that this is not a legitimate way to challenge, using Law 9.11 as my reference.
    I disagree, good timing is everything in rugby. We wouldn't penalise someone who tackles a player who has just landed because half a second earlier we will have a tackle in the air.

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    Default Re: Samoa v USA

    Notice the wording of 9.23

    A player must not attempt to kick the ball from the hands of the ball-carrier


    So it's an offence just to try, ie it's still an offence if he just misses or if the ball carrier releases the ball a fraction of a second earlier .

    Why is the Law written that way ? Because the practice is dangerous

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