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    Default Scrum PK

    https://youtu.be/nKQMAQp5KGg?t=121

    Only seen this hi-lite. Anyone know cause of PK?

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    Default Re: Scrum PK

    Standing up in the scrum? Looks like the SA prop drives up before the Argi pops though.

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    Default Re: Scrum PK

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod Burton View Post
    Standing up in the scrum?
    I think the actual offence is releasing their bind.

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    Default Re: Scrum PK

    The Argentine tight head collapsed and brought the scrum down on the far side. The LH does stand up but his bind is still intact.
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    Default Re: Scrum PK

    I was thinking the Argentina #8 unbinding and being offside as he digs for the ball. Is that the referee's signal? My WiFi speed is low so video is poor.

    I thought it could have gone the other way for SA driving up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    I was thinking the Argentina #8 unbinding and being offside as he digs for the ball. Is that the referee's signal?
    His signal at 2:08/2:09 looks to be for standing up, not unbinding.

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    Default Re: Scrum PK

    Release of bind (standing up under pressure). No drive up. There was a dip by both front rows but the initial movement of the SA tighthead’s back and hips was forward and not up. L/H simply lost shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    The Argentine tight head collapsed and brought the scrum down on the far side. The LH does stand up but his bind is still intact.
    So what do you think the Referee is signalling?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    I was thinking the Argentina #8 unbinding and being offside as he digs for the ball. Is that the referee's signal?
    The No 8 is allowed to release his bind to pick up the ball and can now pick up from the 2nd Rows feet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod Burton View Post
    His signal at 2:08/2:09 looks to be for standing up, not unbinding.
    So what law has been broken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    So what law has been broken?
    This is a great question. Applying the Laws of physics to a scrum, if you have both sides shoving with equal force then (eventually) a hinging effect will occur and this is manifested by the FR players going upwards in motion. However, one has to judge - as a referee - whether this has happened as a result of equality or whether one set of FRs are feeling the strain and move upwards deliberately.

    The Law reference is either 19.19 (although a little tenuous I grant you) or a choice of 9.11, 9.19 (Foul Play) or (at a stretch) 9.27
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    Default Re: Scrum PK

    All those Law 9 offences would be used against the opponent of the prop who stands up... But normally the person who is penalised is, in fact, the prop who stands up.

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