Scrum PK

[ChrisR]

https://youtu.be/nKQMAQp5KGg?t=121

Only seen this hi-lite. Anyone know cause of PK?

[Jarrod Burton]

Standing up in the scrum? Looks like the SA prop drives up before the Argi pops though.

[Taff]

Standing up in the scrum?

I think the actual offence is releasing their bind.

[beckett50]

The Argentine tight head collapsed and brought the scrum down on the far side. The LH does stand up but his bind is still intact.

[ChrisR]

I was thinking the Argentina #8 unbinding and being offside as he digs for the ball. Is that the referee's signal? My WiFi speed is low so video is poor.

I thought it could have gone the other way for SA driving up.

[Jarrod Burton]

I was thinking the Argentina #8 unbinding and being offside as he digs for the ball. Is that the referee's signal?

His signal at 2:08/2:09 looks to be for standing up, not unbinding.

[Balones]

Release of bind (standing up under pressure). No drive up. There was a dip by both front rows but the initial movement of the SA tighthead’s back and hips was forward and not up. L/H simply lost shape.

[Taff]

The Argentine tight head collapsed and brought the scrum down on the far side. The LH does stand up but his bind is still intact.

So what do you think the Referee is signalling?

I was thinking the Argentina #8 unbinding and being offside as he digs for the ball. Is that the referee's signal?

The No 8 is allowed to release his bind to pick up the ball and can now pick up from the 2nd Rows feet.

His signal at 2:08/2:09 looks to be for standing up, not unbinding.

So what law has been broken?

[beckett50]

So what law has been broken?

This is a great question. Applying the Laws of physics to a scrum, if you have both sides shoving with equal force then (eventually) a hinging effect will occur and this is manifested by the FR players going upwards in motion. However, one has to judge - as a referee - whether this has happened as a result of equality or whether one set of FRs are feeling the strain and move upwards deliberately.

The Law reference is either 19.19 (although a little tenuous I grant you) or a choice of 9.11, 9.19 (Foul Play) or (at a stretch) 9.27

[crossref]

All those Law 9 offences would be used against the opponent of the prop who stands up... But normally the person who is penalised is, in fact, the prop who stands up.