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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    All those Law 9 offences would be used against the opponent of the prop who stands up... But normally the person who is penalised is, in fact, the prop who stands up.
    . . . and I have a problem with that. It rewards misbehavior.

    "The No 8 is allowed to release his bind to pick up the ball and can now pick up from the 2nd Rows feet." But he advanced beyond the hind foot (lock's foot).

    It is a tricky situation as SA didn't lift the Argies front row off their feet, they just drove them up, but it was clearly a potentially dangerous situation so a re-set would be appropriate but SA should be reward for their dominance but under what law?

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    Isn't it illegal to drive the scrum up, therefore penalise SA under that law? Regardless of whether their scrum is dominant or not, if they demonstrate that dominance using illegal tactics they should be penalised, not the opposition.

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    he's pinged Blue for bailing out of the scrum by standing up (ie not pushing straight). That's the accepted signal for that event.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    Isn't it illegal to drive the scrum up, therefore penalise SA under that law? Regardless of whether their scrum is dominant or not, if they demonstrate that dominance using illegal tactics they should be penalised, not the opposition.
    Their ‘tactics’ were not illegal. Their initial action was a straight push and A collapsed under pressure. The L/H (and others) in the process of ‘standing up’ released their bind. The L/H still had ‘hold’ but he did not have a ‘bind’. See definitions. The same could be said of the second row of the A pack. By not maintaining bind snd losing their shape the scrum went up and negated the SA dominance. This was not a case of both sides coming up under pressure. I.e reset.

    People who have followed my posts over the years will perhaps support the fact that I do not like referees guessing at the scrum and I also believe that we would get less issues at the scrum if there was more penalisation of driving up. In this case there was, as far as I am concerned, no deliberate action of ‘driving up’. There was continuous driving that resulted in the SA front row having to go up. The tighthead had nowhere to go. When the L/H popped his head outside was lifted the T/H’s shoulder. If the T/H had been deliberately driving up and trying to drive up I would have expected the L/H’s other shoulder to have raised and the T/H’s arm to be kept down to assist the lift. Players at this level don’t tend to decide to drive up in isolation since it could destabilise the scrum. Therefore in a concerted attempt I would expect the opposition hooker to come up early. He didn’t in this instance, and could be said to have been the last to raise his head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    People who have followed my posts over the years
    is that a thing like following Kanye on Insta?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    is that a thing like following Kanye on Insta?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    he's pinged Blue for bailing out of the scrum by standing up (ie not pushing straight). That's the accepted signal for that event.
    being silly here ... this is NOT serious ;-)

    but they were pushing straight - staright upwards at a slight angle... the laws don't define straight as meaning paralell to the ground etc do they?


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    19.19 Players may push provided they do so straight and parallel to the ground. Sanction: Penalty.

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    19. Players may push provided they do so straight and parallel to the ground.
    Sanction : Penalty.


    I interpret "straight" as as parallel to the long axis of the scrum.

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    Or perpendicular to the short axis of the scrum, if you prefer.
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