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    Default Placer Question

    (another one adapted from elsewhere, will credit tue source when we have had a go)

    Have a go at this one in match time .. ie give yourself the amount of thinking time as you would in a game (no rush, but you don't have all day) and no Law book .
    (we can look at Law book tomorrow).



    After a successful conversion on a windy day, the referee belatedly realises that it was tee-carrier acted as placer (ie not one of the players)

    Decision ..
    a say nothing.
    b make them take it again
    c disallow the kick



    Would it be any different for a PK ?

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    Was the tee-carrier a replacement? In which case (c) and PK - question for you: why?
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Default Re: Placer Question

    Depends on the score and level of game
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    Default Re: Placer Question

    Quote Originally Posted by ctrainor View Post
    Depends on the score and level of game
    Lets say there is one point in it and not much time left ...ie. It's crucial.

    I don't think the level matters much , they all want to win..

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    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    Was the tee-carrier a replacement? In which case (c) and PK - question for you: why?
    On a PK the ball is still live so the impact of having a player lying on the ground to place is more material, more important

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    Default Re: Placer Question

    Well,

    8. The kicker,
    c. Places the ball directly on the ground or on sand, sawdust, or a kicking tee. The kicker may be assisted by a placer. Nothing else may be used to assist the kicker.


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    Definitions: Placer: A player holding the ball for a team-mate to place kick.


    In 8.8.d, the sanction is "kick disallowed," but I infer that the sanction is intended for each clause, so I would say kick disallowed.

    I don't see the reason for a PK though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nylluma View Post
    In 8.8.d, the sanction is "kick disallowed," but I infer that the sanction is intended for each clause, so I would say kick disallowed.

    I don't see the reason for a PK though.
    The issue is the tee-carrier being on the pitch.

    I'd bring the captains in, explain that I'm disallowing the kick, and awarding a penalty to the other side either at the point of the PK for points or at the half-way (after a try). The tee-carrier is an extra player.

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    Default Re: Placer Question

    Saw this in it’s original wording, and my answer is same as then, if a low level friendly / juniors game i’m Ignoring it, any other time I’m dealing with it before it becomes important - would not want to be ‘that guy’ that disallowed the kick for some law that no one else there knows, let alone understands

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    Default Re: Placer Question

    This exact situation came up for me just recently. The water carrier was getting in position to hold for a conversion. I told the kicker he was not allowed, and he decided to do without. One of those situations that are best managed in advance.

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    Yes, obviously you would want to notice before the kick, and manage it .. .

    ..but if you didn't notice until after the kick (oh, f**k) .. *then* what do you do ?

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