Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 17

Thread: Hand Off or Fend to the face/head/neck

      
  1. #1
    Rugby Club Member

    Soc/Assoc
    MADREFS
    Grade
    Level 10
    Join Date
    26 Feb 18
    Posts
    14
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    3

    Default Hand Off or Fend to the face/head/neck

    Heading into the new season and I am anticipating questions from players clarifying whether hand-offs to the head, face or neck area are impacted by the increased focus on high tackles and high contact in general? I seem to get asked this mostly when refereeing women's matches interestingly? Grateful for reflections from other referees. By implication is the quantum of excessive force (Law 9:24) different for connection with the head than the arm or torso say?

  2. #2

    Referees in Scotland
    Pinky's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    Edinburgh Rugby Referees Society
    Grade
    8
    Join Date
    09 Apr 10
    Posts
    1,418
    Thanks (Received)
    17
    Likes (Received)
    152

    Default Re: Hand Off or Fend to the face/head/neck

    Covered in out pre-season. reminded that ball carrier has more leeway to fend than tackler, but ball carrier is not allowed to lead with elbow/forearm and if they do contact with head is RC

  3. #3
    Rugby Club Member

    Soc/Assoc
    Cardiff Society of Welsh Rugby Union Referees
    Grade
    Level 2
    Join Date
    05 Jan 18
    Posts
    1,377
    Thanks (Received)
    17
    Likes (Received)
    283

    Default Re: Hand Off or Fend to the face/head/neck

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    ...ball carrier has more leeway to fend than tackler,,,
    I just do not get this at all.

  4. #4

    Referees in America
    thepercy's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    New York State Rugby Referees Society
    Grade
    Level 1
    Join Date
    21 Sep 13
    Posts
    722
    Thanks (Received)
    15
    Likes (Received)
    106

    Default Re: Hand Off or Fend to the face/head/neck

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    I just do not get this at all.
    Similarly, the BC could lower their shoulder (sling/tucked) and target the tacklers head, and it would be play on.

  5. #5
    Rugby Club Member

    Soc/Assoc
    Cardiff Society of Welsh Rugby Union Referees
    Grade
    Level 2
    Join Date
    05 Jan 18
    Posts
    1,377
    Thanks (Received)
    17
    Likes (Received)
    283

    Default Re: Hand Off or Fend to the face/head/neck

    If it is illecgal to make contact with the head, it should apply to both sides. A fend / hand off could easily cause concussion with a head being i]jarred backwards.

    The laws are an ass in this respect.

  6. #6
    Coach/Referee

    Soc/Assoc
    None
    Grade
    Select Grade
    Join Date
    03 May 13
    Posts
    760
    Thanks (Received)
    16
    Likes (Received)
    145

    Default Re: Hand Off or Fend to the face/head/neck

    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    Similarly, the BC could lower their shoulder (sling/tucked) and target the tacklers head, and it would be play on.
    It wouldn't necessarily be play on...
    But I hear what you are saying and I agree that it is ridiculous!

  7. #7

    Advises in England
    OB..'s Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    Glos & District
    Grade
    Adviser (grass roots)
    Join Date
    07 Oct 04
    Posts
    22,517
    Thanks (Received)
    108
    Likes (Received)
    1535

    Default Re: Hand Off or Fend to the face/head/neck

    How do you fend of a tackler who comes in low?

    Many years ago I watched a touring Fijian player, Tikoisuva, playing on the wing against East Midlands. I was directly behind one run up the left wing. As the tackler came in, he put his hand firmly on the top of the tackler's head and used it as a pivot to run his legs round in a semicircle so that the tackler could not reach his legs. No danger to either player, though the tackler looked a bit embarrassed.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
    The Referee by John Dryden

  8. #8

    Referees in America
    smeagol's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    CARFU RS
    Join Date
    20 Apr 12
    Posts
    376
    Thanks (Received)
    2
    Likes (Received)
    17

    Default Re: Hand Off or Fend to the face/head/neck

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    How do you fend of a tackler who comes in low?

    Many years ago I watched a touring Fijian player, Tikoisuva, playing on the wing against East Midlands. I was directly behind one run up the left wing. As the tackler came in, he put his hand firmly on the top of the tackler's head and used it as a pivot to run his legs round in a semicircle so that the tackler could not reach his legs. No danger to either player, though the tackler looked a bit embarrassed.

    When asked by senior players about fending off and contact above the shoulders, the keywords I use are a "push" vs a "open-hand strike."

  9. #9

    Referees in Wales
    Taff's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    Llanelli District
    Grade
    WRU Level 2
    Join Date
    23 Aug 09
    Posts
    6,910
    Thanks (Received)
    34
    Likes (Received)
    334

    Default Re: Hand Off or Fend to the face/head/neck

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    If it is illecgal to make contact with the head, it should apply to both sides. ... The laws are an ass in this respect.
    You do have a point, but if a tackler could get a BC just by deliberately taking a shoulder charge to the head, there would be nobody left to play.

    I think the logic is a tackler is half expecting a shoulder charge to the chops and can position himself in such a way that it doesn't happen. A BC on the other hand isn't expecting a shoulder charge to the head and it is therefore more dangerous when it happens.
    Last edited by Taff; 24-08-19 at 10:08.

  10. #10
    Rugby Club Member

    Soc/Assoc
    Cardiff Society of Welsh Rugby Union Referees
    Grade
    Level 2
    Join Date
    05 Jan 18
    Posts
    1,377
    Thanks (Received)
    17
    Likes (Received)
    283

    Default Re: Hand Off or Fend to the face/head/neck

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    . A BC on the other hand isn't expecting a shoulder charge to the head and it is therefore more dangerous when it happens.
    Even when you play a PI side or Farrell is in the other team?

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •