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    Default Re: When is the ball out?

    I have had it as well, players watched the RWC but dont fully understand all the nuances and permutations in the Law ... And neither does the TJ !
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    Default Re: When is the ball out?

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    why is it illegitimate?

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    Default Re: When is the ball out?

    with both the ball and the player outside the plane, he would have to catch it, and land inside

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    Default Re: When is the ball out?

    oh - gotcha - yes, I knew that. I was querying "illegitimate". its a legitimate action, but it wont get the result the player was hoping for :-)

    nuances eh? *tsk*

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    Default Re: When is the ball out?

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    why is it illegitimate?

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    or the law about not entering the playing area without the referee's permission thing?

    I once saw a German ref PK a receiver at the game start kick off fro starting outside touch and running forward in-field towards the ball to catch it mind....


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    The Law specifically allows players in touch to take part in play . Knocking balls, .. scoring a try even
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman View Post
    Guys,
    My club have decided to have a small groupie of competent TJ's for the coming season. As an ex-referee I have been asked by the club to offer advice as to when the ball is out (over the touchline). I seem to remember a document from, I think Australia, that covered this does anyone have any ideas of where I could find this?
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    I would suggest that Law 18 tells you just about everything you need. It's one of the things in the current law book I find clear. All you need to do is add some real life examples for your students.

    1. The ball is in touch or touch-in-goal when :
    a. The ball or ball-carrier touches the touchline, touch-in-goal line or anything
    beyond.
    b. A player, who is already touching the touchline, touch-in-goal line or anything
    beyond, catches or holds the ball.
    i. If the ball has reached the plane of touch when it is caught, the catcher is
    not deemed to have taken the ball into touch.
    ii. If the ball has not reached the plane of touch when it is caught or picked up,
    the catcher is deemed to have taken the ball into touch, regardless of
    whether the ball was in motion or stationary.

    2. The ball is not in touch or touch-in-goal if :
    a. The ball reaches the plane of touch but is caught, knocked or kicked by a player
    who is in the playing area.
    b. A player jumps, from within or outside the playing area, and catches the ball, and
    then lands in the playing area, regardless of whether the ball reached the plane of
    touch.
    c. A player jumps from the playing area and knocks (or catches and releases) the ball
    back into the playing area, before landing in touch or touch-in-goal, regardless of
    whether the ball reached the plane of touch.
    d. A player, who is in touch, kicks or knocks the ball, but does not hold it, provided it
    has not reached the plane of touch.


    Then add a bit about quick throws (when allowed), and go through the table in the laws about location of the mark and who throws in. Pages 81-84

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    Default Re: When is the ball out?

    this confuses me a bit:

    2. The ball is not in touch or touch-in-goal if :
    a. The ball reaches the plane of touch but is caught, knocked or kicked by a player
    who is in the playing area.


    a player leans over touchline and knocks the ball (ie ball not in touch). Ball then falls to ground (ie ball in touch). Who put it there?
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    Default Re: When is the ball out?

    At the point it's touched it's not in touch, so go back to the beginning of the process when it hits the deck, now that it is in touch, put there by the player who touched it last - or am I missing a nuance?

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