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    What's the call on this?

    Ball tapped down from line-out, 9 catches and passes to the 10. Ball goes through 10's hands (without touching them), hits his stomach and falls forward to the ground.

    My understanding of this is play on? He's not in possession therefore I believe for the knock-on it would need to come off (and go forward) a hand(s) or arm(s). Am I right?

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    Default Re: "Knock-on"

    Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.


    Although it would be a brave ref who didn't call the OP as a knock on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    What's the call on this?

    Ball tapped down from line-out, 9 catches and passes to the 10. Ball goes through 10's hands (without touching them), hits his stomach and falls forward to the ground.

    My understanding of this is play on? He's not in possession therefore I believe for the knock-on it would need to come off (and go forward) a hand(s) or arm(s). Am I right?
    I agree with Dickie. I think if you called 'play on' here, then the rest of your afternoon would be an unhappy time.

    If the #10 spread his arms wide and chested the ball down like a footballer might - that would be play on..

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    See, I get that. But technically I'm correct yeah? I'd like to think that as long as I was consistent with the call the teams wouldn't mind.

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    Default Re: "Knock-on"

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I agree with Dickie. I think if you called 'play on' here, then the rest of your afternoon would be an unhappy time.

    If the #10 spread his arms wide and chested the ball down like a footballer might - that would be play on..
    I don't agree with this. Call it as you see it. The expected call may be 'knock-on' but the correct call is 'play-on'. The players will respect you if your call is consistent with what you saw.

    "I call what I see and I don't think you want it any other way".

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    Default Re: "Knock-on"

    It's not a Law problem, is a matter of fact

    The 10 tried to catch the ball and it went through his hands

    All thirty players are expecting a knock on

    You, as ref, are saying you have eyes so sharp that you can see that the ball failed to touch his hands either on the way past or on the way back , so play on

    I don't think that's a wise call .. you are making yourself centre of attention , with what everyone will think is really odd call ... And how sure are you anyway about it not touching his hands ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    I don't agree with this. Call it as you see it. The expected call may be 'knock-on' but the correct call is 'play-on'. The players will respect you if your call is consistent with what you saw.

    "I call what I see and I don't think you want it any other way".
    as a ref you are trying to facilitate the best game of rugby you can for the players. If you make a call that needlessly puts you at odds with all thirty of them, they lose confidence in the ref, and it's uphill from there, and no one has a good time.

    alternatively peep, knock on, and happy days.

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    In general terms if it was obvious it didn’t touch the arms then it must be ‘play on’ but if it wasn’t then by all means blow. I think it is one of those circumstances that we have to adopt the opposite approach to what we generally say about C&O. If it is not clear and obvious to the ref then it is very likely that it won’t be for the players or any spectators or assessor. Therefore doing the generally expected can be justified. As a performance reviewer I would expect if it was C&O for the ref to play on and communicate the decision either dynamically or at the next opportunity at a stoppage or at downtime.

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    Default Re: "Knock-on"

    To give a bit more context. I was playing standing right next to the ref at the LO. He played knock on advantage, they kick the ball - advantage over then it went out of play. I mentioned that it came off 10's stomach any so it wasn't a knock on in that circumstance. (I don't think he knows I'm a ref but if he's at our soc meeting tonight he will lol).

    He told me that it was irrelevant that it was off his stomach and advised that a knock on was anywhere between the shins and shoulder This implies that he's aware the ball didn't touch the 10's hands. I replied this isn't what's described in the definitions but said it didn't matter ATM, we can chat on Monday (at the soc meeting). He told me to "shut-it."

    That's not went down well. I'll def not be shutting it this evening.

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