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    Default Re: Advantage and running out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    Technically, it probably has, but if you allow advantage to be over (having not said so) you are making a rod for your own back. The team that had advantage could rightly claim that they would have done something different if you had said advantage was over. They could lose a little bit of confidence in you.

    From a game management perspective, its best to just go with what you actually say, and keep what you were thinking to yourself.
    What about that time when you didn’t actually call 'Advantage over' but play had moved on?

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    Default Re: Advantage and running out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    What about that time when you didn’t actually call 'Advantage over' but play had moved on?
    You either have a cast iron habit of calling Advantage Over, or you don't.

    I'm pretty sure I bat close to 1000 on either calling AO or coming back for the decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    You either have a cast iron habit of calling Advantage Over, or you don't.

    I'm pretty sure I bat close to 1000 on either calling AO or coming back for the decision.
    If you call "advantage", then a moment later the attacking team scores a try - do you call AO?

    We used to have a stat called advantage conversion - this was the % of time you were able to call AO and it was viewed that the higher the better. So, of course, we always made a point a calling AO before awarding a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    So I think that

    1 - if yellow are on their own 5m line they are really unlikely to get an advantage better than a PK - so you prob shouldn't have bothered playing any.

    But given that you had .. what next

    2 - you hadn't called "Advantage Over" so when the ball went into touch advantage wasn't over.

    3 - you can't give Yellow an option, but it should be pretty clear that what they'd like is to have the PK, so they can kick for touch and have a yellow lineout

    So - no advatage, back to the PK
    The OP put them 5m from touch so if they kicked directly to touch to get the throw they wouldn't get much distance unless they had a skilled banana kicker. If they tap, pas and then kick they'd forfeit the throw. Therefore letting them run and gain some yards may be their best option. May be . . .

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    Default Re: Advantage and running out.

    Back in the day rugby was refereed by a gentleman sitting in a shooting stick in the half way line. The Law of Advantage enabled the non-offending Captain to request of the referee that they be given the Advantage to play on and see what transpired. I'm sure certain learned members of this Community can put time stamps on this.

    Put yourself in the shoes of the Captain. Would you consider the Advantage to be over? As you gain more experience then these decisions will get easier.

    From the sound of your description the play went cross field, but you haven't - unless I've misread - stated how far up the field the player was forced into touch.

    Penalty Advantages are - obviously - played for longer because we are looking for Tactical AND Territorial advantage to be gained. (For a scrum offence then the Advantage is normally over after a couple of passes.)

    IMHO The Advantage Law is the best one in the book; but the hardest to master. Play it with empathy and vision.
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    Default Re: Advantage and running out.

    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    Back in the day rugby was refereed by a gentleman sitting in a shooting stick in the half way line. The Law of Advantage enabled the non-offending Captain to request of the referee that they be given the Advantage to play on and see what transpired. I'm sure certain learned members of this Community can put time stamps on this.


    In 1871 there was no need for an advantage law because the captain had to appeal to the umpires for an infringement (as in cricket). This caused a 10 minute delay in the first International because the two umpires disagreed. In 1884 Scotland played Wales with one referee and no umpires. By 1885 the law required two umpires plus a referee whose job was to adjudicate if the umpires disagreed. By 1892 the law said one referee and two touch judges. The need to appeal was abolished in 1896.

    By 1908 there was an advantage law applied to a knock-on or throw forward. 1911: "The referee should not whistle when the non-offending side gains an advantage."
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    Default Re: Advantage and running out.

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    In 1871 there was no need for an advantage law because the captain had to appeal to the umpires for an infringement (as in cricket).

    Which could now earn you a YC for dissent lol.

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