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    Default Advantage and running out.

    Yellow defending on their own 5 metre line with the ball close to the touch line, black infringe offside at the ruck but yellow manage to pass the ball out to the openside. I call penalty advantage. The ball reaches the winger on the other touch and he scampers off and just as I am about to call advantage over gets taken into touch.

    So although they have lost possession yellow would have probably been happy with the field position.

    I go back for the penalty which seems a long way back because it is on the other side of the pitch.

    My thought was that as yellow have run out I have to act on the situation at the time I hadn't called advantage over so I had to act on the first offence and not the subsequent going into touch.

    Could I have given yellow the option of black line out or yellow penalty.

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    Default Re: Advantage and running out.

    Given yellow are own their own 5m line it's very unlikely that they could achieve an advantage over a PK.
    Perhaps better to have just given the penalty

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    Default Re: Advantage and running out.

    Quote Originally Posted by TimR View Post
    Yellow defending on their own 5 metre line with the ball close to the touch line, black infringe offside at the ruck but yellow manage to pass the ball out to the openside. I call penalty advantage. The ball reaches the winger on the other touch and he scampers off and just as I am about to call advantage over gets taken into touch.

    So although they have lost possession yellow would have probably been happy with the field position.

    I go back for the penalty which seems a long way back because it is on the other side of the pitch.

    My thought was that as yellow have run out I have to act on the situation at the time I hadn't called advantage over so I had to act on the first offence and not the subsequent going into touch.

    Could I have given yellow the option of black line out or yellow penalty.
    If you go back for the penalty, Yellow will probably get a lineout further up field.

    It is not clear from your description if the Black lineout would probably have been significantly further up field.

    7.2 d allows you to offer a choice between two advantage situations, but that does not apply here. There is no provision for offering a choice. You have to make a decision.
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    Default Re: Advantage and running out.

    Quote Originally Posted by TimR View Post
    Yellow defending on their own 5 metre line with the ball close to the touch line, black infringe offside at the ruck but yellow manage to pass the ball out to the openside. I call penalty advantage. The ball reaches the winger on the other touch and he scampers off and just as I am about to call advantage over gets taken into touch.

    So although they have lost possession yellow would have probably been happy with the field position.

    I go back for the penalty which seems a long way back because it is on the other side of the pitch.

    My thought was that as yellow have run out I have to act on the situation at the time I hadn't called advantage over so I had to act on the first offence and not the subsequent going into touch.

    Could I have given yellow the option of black line out or yellow penalty.
    Can't off the option.

    This is a factor and being on own 5m. So, unless Yellow had a banana-kick specialist they may be looking at their own throw from only 10m.
    Since you were just about to call advantage over then your mind has already acknowledged that advantage was over. We've had this debate before re. 'has it ended?'.

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    Default Re: Advantage and running out.

    I'm not sure that you couldn't offer the options.

    To me it would seem entirely reasonable to allow the non offending team take their choice.

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    So I think that

    1 - if yellow are on their own 5m line they are really unlikely to get an advantage better than a PK - so you prob shouldn't have bothered playing any.

    But given that you had .. what next

    2 - you hadn't called "Advantage Over" so when the ball went into touch advantage wasn't over.

    3 - you can't give Yellow an option, but it should be pretty clear that what they'd like is to have the PK, so they can kick for touch and have a yellow lineout

    So - no advatage, back to the PK

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    Default Re: Advantage and running out.

    Unfortunately yellow hadn’t had a good performance on kicking and clearly didn’t believe they had any chance of getting a decent touch as they then ran it from a 5m penalty! Pretty sure I couldn’t have predicted that.

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    Default Re: Advantage and running out.

    Quote Originally Posted by TimR View Post
    Unfortunately yellow hadn’t had a good performance on kicking and clearly didn’t believe they had any chance of getting a decent touch as they then ran it from a 5m penalty! Pretty sure I couldn’t have predicted that.
    Or did they have a go at running it out , knowing they could always come back and have the pk

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    Default Re: Advantage and running out.

    Sorry, went we came back for the pk. They elected to tap and go rather than kick.

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    Default Re: Advantage and running out.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisR View Post
    Can't off the option.

    This is a factor and being on own 5m. So, unless Yellow had a banana-kick specialist they may be looking at their own throw from only 10m.
    Since you were just about to call advantage over then your mind has already acknowledged that advantage was over. We've had this debate before re. 'has it ended?'.
    Technically, it probably has, but if you allow advantage to be over (having not said so) you are making a rod for your own back. The team that had advantage could rightly claim that they would have done something different if you had said advantage was over. They could lose a little bit of confidence in you.

    From a game management perspective, its best to just go with what you actually say, and keep what you were thinking to yourself.
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