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    For me, if bin is at 9:50 when try is scored then he’s staying off the pitch, then i’m wrapping the formalities, mark score, watch the conversion, and jogging back. At this point if we’re beyond 10:00, I can address my focus to the bin before the restart and wave him on

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    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    Not if the mark for the scrum has been made by the time the YC time is up.

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    Scrum set and collapses/requires a reset. YC time is up. Do you let the YC player back on to the FoP for the reset? i would suggest not, as you are still in the same phase of play (even though you may choose to 'time off' to talk with the FR about their scrum discipline)
    I would suggest in your latter point with a time off that this is technically incorrect. Time is dead and it has to be dead for both sides and you don’t gave grounds for refusing a returning player when the ball/time is dead. I would also suggest that if you stop play to speak to the front rows as to indicate then perhaps it would be in your own best interests to allow the return of a better prop for example to prevent further issues at the scrum, or even allow a carded prop to return to all for contested scrums if they had gone non-contested etc. What if there was an injury to a FR player between scrums? Allow a prop on and not a full back? This approach would be inconsistent and needs to be avoided. The only consistent way to handle this situation is to allow a YC on if there is time off, even if it is something we would prefer not to do. For an ordinary reset it doesn’t apply since we still have a live situation ss you say.

    Personally unless it is serious and deserved a lengthy word of warning I would expect a quick word for the reset.
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    You're the only one that knows the time on the bin, wait until the conversion is taken and then call him back on, problem solved!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBFG View Post
    You're the only one that knows the time on the bin
    Very true. I often get coaches asking me why their player is not back on yet because the 10 minutes has elapsed. I simply point out that it is playing time that counts, thus excluding "time off" called by the referee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBFG View Post
    You're the only one that knows the time on the bin, wait until the conversion is taken and then call him back on, problem solved!
    Even better, rather than dissembling about the time, is to do the right thing, surely.

    But if you like transport the scenario to the professional game, with public timers visible to people so the time elapsed is no longer secret

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    the referee is the sole judge of fact and of Law. It is essential that all players respect the referee's decisions at all times
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBFG View Post
    the referee is the sole judge of fact and of Law. It is essential that all players respect the referee's decisions at all times
    We referees gain that respect by being impartial and keeping to the Law

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    I'll answer the question with a question.

    If there was a knock on, no advantage, scrum. Look at your watch, less than 10 minutes playing time has elapsed for YC player. Before everyone is formed up for the scrum, the 10 minutes is up, do you invite the YC player back on, or wait for next dead ball?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    I'll answer the question with a question.

    If there was a knock on, no advantage, scrum. Look at your watch, less than 10 minutes playing time has elapsed for YC player. Before everyone is formed up for the scrum, the 10 minutes is up, do you invite the YC player back on, or wait for next dead ball?
    I generally wait until the next dead ball, but, TBH, 20 secs less than 10 mins playing time is definitely no; 5 seconds less may well depend on how generous/pissed off I am feeling.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    I'll answer the question with a question.

    If there was a knock on, no advantage, scrum. Look at your watch, less than 10 minutes playing time has elapsed for YC player. Before everyone is formed up for the scrum, the 10 minutes is up, do you invite the YC player back on, or wait for next dead ball?
    not sure that necessarily has to have the the same answer.
    Yes, I think I would let him on. .
    . Ten playing minutes have elapsed
    .. the ball is dead

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