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    Default Re: YC return

    I happened in my game the other week.

    YC (Black #10) was due to return. Black scored their first try and the call came in from side line.

    I had let Black #10 back on and he ran to where #Black 9 was just in receipt of tee.

    I wondered whether I should have allowed him to take the 2 pts kick as I vaguely recalled it as a rolling subs regulation that an "oncomer" couldn't take a kick - I assume that was to avoid an American Football specialist kicker roll on-roll off state of affairs.

    Anyway I didn't compound the "error" (if it was one) by not allowing him to take the kick.

    Probably should've just let him on after the conv. pre-restart. At the time it never dawned on me he was the regular kicker as he had not taken a kick up to that point. Other than wearing #10 there was nothing to suggest he was the regular kicker - all he'd done up to that point was knock on and commit a YC-able (high tackle).

    Anyway you can only assimilate so much detail and I'm not too fussed if I did get it wrong - it may stop me refereeing at the next RWC but there you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I think that's a very very different scenario.

    Even so, if it was me then when the time was up I would let them on .
    Not really, we're discussing whether the bin time is up when it's up, or when we chose it's up - I suggest in the weeds it's the latter, and that's just another example of why.

    (In this case I had guidance before that suggests in terms of management if you can avoid bringing together two forwards intent on whacking each other then why not avoid it - you could argue their choices not yours, either or)

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Yes and even at my lowly level I know perfectly well that I can get away with either decision ... But I would like to know what is the correct decision .. as that's the one I will give , if I can.
    Sorry, got carried away with writing what I did and forgot to address the question.
    When I have raised very similar questions in relation to exactly when a YC can return both in terms of exact timing and situation the response from ‘on high’ has always been “it is a refereeing decision”. Which doesn’t really answer your question does it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    Not really, we're discussing whether the bin time is up when it's up, or when we chose it's up - I suggest in the weeds it's the latter, and that's just another example of why.

    (In this case I had guidance before that suggests in terms of management if you can avoid bringing together two forwards intent on whacking each other then why not avoid it - you could argue their choices not yours, either or)
    One is u17 the other is adult
    One had a player from both teams in bin, so your decision won't disadvantage one team and advantage the other , as was the case in mine
    Your YC was about niggles and escalation, mine wasn't
    In yours the time was definitely up and they were definitely entitled to come , in mine that is the question .. was it up or not? Was he entitled or not ?

    So yes, different scenarios
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Lifeson-Peart View Post
    I happened in my game the other week.

    YC (Black #10) was due to return. Black scored their first try and the call came in from side line.

    I had let Black #10 back on and he ran to where #Black 9 was just in receipt of tee.

    I wondered whether I should have allowed him to take the 2 pts kick as I vaguely recalled it as a rolling subs regulation that an "oncomer" couldn't take a kick - I assume that was to avoid an American Football specialist kicker roll on-roll off state of affairs.

    Anyway I didn't compound the "error" (if it was one) by not allowing him to take the kick.

    Probably should've just let him on after the conv. pre-restart. At the time it never dawned on me he was the regular kicker as he had not taken a kick up to that point. Other than wearing #10 there was nothing to suggest he was the regular kicker - all he'd done up to that point was knock on and commit a YC-able (high tackle).

    Anyway you can only assimilate so much detail and I'm not too fussed if I did get it wrong - it may stop me refereeing at the next RWC but there you go.

    If we reach a consensus I'll know next time. If we don't I may ask at the next Society meeting.
    I think you were definitely right, as in this case YC had alreadt expired when the try was scored

    In my case it still had a little time to run, so more questionable

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Only my game !
    That's good enough for me Crossref, case closed.

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    Default Re: YC return

    BTW I am not raising it as a massive on field issue. Far from it, I made a quick call (can't take the kick) and we all moved on

    I raise it as a curiosity as I would be interested to know what the correct call is

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