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    Default Re: RWC Japan 2019 - Business

    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    Are you sure that it was in Japan's hands?
    ... No tier two team plays a tier one team following a short rest period."
    How can I know. In any case WR in consultation with Japan have not adhered to that very mission statement. Point in question : Samoa “emerging nation” forced to play Scotland, Japan and Ireland in a 12-day window. Japan’s three matches are over a 23 day period. Even if the hosts had no say in scheduling ( which I doubt, having followed Ireland’s RWC bid from afar) wouldn’t they want to be seen as being fair, and object to such a discrepancy in treatment of tier two nations?

    AfaIk, Japan made a bid, WR imposed some modifications to that proposal.
    2019 Rugby World Cup. ... The National Olympic Stadium, being rebuilt for the 2020 Summer Olympics, was originally the centerpiece of Japan's Rugby World Cup bid, but revisions to the Olympic Stadium plans mandated the World Cup venue changes.
    Other factors may have scuppered ideal scheduling plans...
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    Default Re: RWC Japan 2019 - Business

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    The matches are as follows:
    Pool A matches (3 games per team)
    Pool B
    Pool C
    Pool D

    Challenge Trophy QFs
    Cup QFs

    13 place semi finals
    Challenge Trophy Semis
    5th place semi finals
    Cup semi finals

    13th place play off
    Challenge Trophy Final
    5th place play off
    Bronze Final
    Cup Final
    16 teams ,
    10 of them play 6 games
    6 of them play 5 games

    So that solves the irregular gaps , but at the cost of contracting the tournament to 16 teams

    I suspext the second tier teams would vote against, as they would prefer 20 teams to 16 teams . Is the greater chance of actually getting to the RWC
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    Lightbulb Re: RWC Japan 2019 - Business

    I strongly suspect you are right. In terms of growing the game, reducing the number of teams at RWC wouldn’t be welcomed. However as you pointed out earlier the underlying problem in scheduling is the pools of five .

    Emerging Nations could have a Challenge World Cup of 16 teams, with the both finalists being promoted to the RWC. Say two years out from the RWC, so a real motivation for them.

    That’ll spice things up for 32 Rugby Nations, beyond that the level is amateur, they’re better off targeting Sevens at the Olympics. Suddenly all the likes of Switzerland or Korea need to do to get to a RWC is up their game enough to dethrone Spain or Romania. (Neither of whom made it to Japan this year, so a doable.

    Rugby Challenge Cup 2023
    16 Spain
    17 Romania
    18 Uruguay
    19 Russia

    20 Portugal
    21 Canada
    22 Namibia * Teams at RWC 2019
    23 Hong Kong

    24 Netherlands
    25 Brazil
    26 Belgium
    27 Germany

    28 Chile
    29 Switzerland
    30 Korea
    31 Columbia

    I think that would do more for growing the game more than the inevitable injuries linked to poor scheduling and short turnarounds. And Spain and Romania need to up’their game to unseat those teams at 15 and 16 in the World Rankings currently Tonga and Samoa. Also a realistic proposition for their Union, which is what tier two nations want, a fair chance.
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    Default Re: RWC Japan 2019 - Business

    The other way to go is six groups of four , as in the European Championship.

    Now you are growing the tournament to 24 teams

    However that leads to the always-unsatisfactory problem of selecting two second place 'fastest losers' to go to the QF stage along with six group winners

    But on the other hand 24 teams does lead nicely into a cup, plate and bowl with eight teams in each
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    Arrow Re: RWC Japan 2019 - Business

    In fact when you look at the 16 teams structure and the idea of an Emerging Nations Cup.
    Handball has already adopted such a format. No point Rugby try and reinvent the wheel.

    With Uruguay, Russia, Canada and Namibia just making up the numbers at RWC 2019, I have difficulty seeing what other four emerging nations could realistically hope to compete in an expanded 24 teams World Cup. Based on World rankings it would be Spain, Romania, Portugal and Hong Kong. I suspect most of them would lose to a second string *Saracens side, let alone putting them up against the All Blacks. In fact let’s be entirely honest some of them would probably lose to a second string Cornish Pirates side. Which kinda tells us where World Rugby is at just now. It also helps understand Monaco’s decision to play level five rugby in the French league, where they stand a chance of winning from time to time. Monaco are just outside the Top One Hundred on WR rankings at the moment. By that reckoning 75 to 100 are at level four, and 50 to 75 at level three. 25 to 50 at Rugby Championship sort of level. We’d best get them some more preseason games against Rugby Championship sides to help improve to some semblance of International Rugby. In the same way as teams like Munster Rugby regularly play second string International teams as warmup games for touring sides. The major obstacle to emerging nations improving seems to be the quality of opposition just isn’t testing any team to International standards.

    *Canada just lost out to a second string Leinster side in their warmup game for this RWC.
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    Default Re: RWC Japan 2019 - Business

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    In fact when you look at the 16 teams structure and the idea of an Emerging Nations Cup.
    Handball has already adopted such a format. No point Rugby try and reinvent the wheel.
    Each sport has different requirements, though, and differing reach (in terms of how many countries play it)

    Rugby has a unique problem when structuring a world cup .. the problem we started with, the need for long recovery times.

    Hand ball doesn't need a week between games does it?
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    Default Re: RWC Japan 2019 - Business

    That’s not the issue. Sevens can play out a tournament over a weekend. XV needs 8 weeks to do so, but at least with 16 teams the discrepancy in turnarounds is eliminated. Come to think of it, the Cup, Plate, Bowl and Shield format is already used in U20 rugby World Cup. The only doubt I have is Sevens intends to drop it in favour of an Olympic format.
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