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    Question RWC 2019 Japan - HIA

    Two Irish players failed HIA 1 at the weekend.
    Yet now Ireland have announced they have both passed HIA 2 & HIA 3. Isn’t this a misuse of the protocol? In that, if you fail HIA 1 then you have suffered a suspected concussion and must follow the return to play protocols.
    HIA 2 & 3 are a safety net to double check that a player removed from play, just to be on the safe side, but who got thru’ HIA 1 still be monitored just in case. Rather that a get put clause for those who we know have already had a suspected concussion.
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    Default Re: RWC 2019 Japan - HIA

    One of the perks of being a professional player!

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    Default Re: RWC 2019 Japan - HIA

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    One of the perks of being a professional player!
    Indeed . Only elite players are allowed to play on after concussion ..

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    Default Re: RWC 2019 Japan - HIA

    In fairness they may not actually have been concussed

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    Default Re: RWC 2019 Japan - HIA

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    In fairness they may not actually have been concussed
    I think irlandais is correct : if they failed HIA 1 that means by definition that they were concussed.

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    Default Re: RWC 2019 Japan - HIA

    I'm not an expert...but I think you'll find that failing HIA does not mean definitively that they were concussed.
    Conversely I believe they could be concussed and pass the HIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    I'm not an expert...but I think you'll find that failing HIA does not mean definitively that they were concussed.
    Conversely I believe they could be concussed and pass the HIA.
    Well, I think WR have hung their hooks on the HIA assessments as being the best tests available. Are you aware of better ones ?

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    Default Re: RWC 2019 Japan - HIA

    As I've stated I'm not an expert.
    Maybe WR's tests are the best that are available.

    Edit.....But given that symptoms of concussion may not become apparent until some time after the injury the can hardly be called definitive.
    Last edited by Decorily; 2 Weeks Ago at 23:09. Reason: Hit the post button early!

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    Default Re: RWC 2019 Japan - HIA

    Failing HIA 1 should not mean there is concussion, only that there may be concussion.
    If the player is then symptom free three and 36 hours later they can return to play.

    Personally, I think too many players pass HIA1.

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    Default Re: RWC 2019 Japan - HIA

    It's actually more nuanced

    HiA 1 can lead to a diagnosis of concussion, or can lead to a suspicion (or indeed being cleared )

    .1. HIA 1, which happens during the match, and which involves immediate diagnosis of
    concussion if certain criteria are present, or an off-field screening assessment when
    the diagnosis is not apparent but a concussion may have occurred
    Here is a document

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Dk8...w?usp=drivesdk

    I guess we cannot really know about the two Irish players without knowing more details

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