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    Default Re: RWC 2019 Japan - HIA

    Arguably he took 3 knocks in a row today :-(

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    Biggar fit to play again

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...lines-17104247

    Passed by an Independent Concussion Consultant , no less.

    In any grass roots team he would not be playing on Sunday. He is lucky to have all this expert care.

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    Biggar was always going to be passed fit. It makes a mockery of the whole process. Sadly it is going t otake a higjh profile pro t ocolapse on the pitch and not recover for real change to happen.

    MINIMUM 3 weeks out if Concussion is suspected. PLUS a graduated return AFTER that. Once you have a set number of Concussions then you are out.

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    Biggar would not be allowed to play under french rules ..

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50094803

    Trolling or true ? (Or both perhaps)
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    Default Re: RWC 2019 Japan - HIA

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Biggar fit to play again

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...lines-17104247

    Passed by an Independent Concussion Consultant , no less.

    In any grass roots team he would not be playing on Sunday. He is lucky to have all this expert care.
    I'm not digging, but could someone explain how "expert care" facilitates better concussion recovery? Or is that the point that you were making?
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    That’s the point being made. Elite squads are taking the piss, by paying top money for “medical” experts to give their opinion on a subject Dr Barry O'Driscoll resigned over. If your arm gets bruised, any fool can see it’s black and blue. However if your bruise is under the skull, any medical practitioners who tell you they are 100% sure you are not bruised, need to be struck off the register.

    According to World Rugby Concussion guidance :

    Typically standard brain scans are normal for someone with concussion and therefore a normal brain scan is not a reliable test of whether or not a player has concussion or suspected concussion


    Yet, IRFU frequently tells us, ah he’s had a scan, he’s fine. Scans are for fractured bones not soft tissue damage. The no expense spared defense, to protect IRFU from the inevitable legal action from future retirees.
    Players with a history of two or more concussions within the past year are at greater risk of further brain injury and slower recovery and should seek medical attention from practitioners experienced in concussion management before return to play.
    How many concussions have players suffered in the Elite game and they are sent back time and again to the field of play. Anybody with a suspected concussion needs to be monitored for 24 hours, as symptoms can be delayed. Which makes the 10 minute rule an absolute farce. It angers me that the IRFU pressured a French club into resting Sexton after 4 suspected knocks, yet they readily ignore their own advice.
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    Default Re: RWC 2019 Japan - HIA

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    Dr O’Driscoll resigned his post over this. He insists that WR have dug a hole for themselves and are still digging. HIA 1 is a farce, since the player is only ever removed from play for a Head Injury Assessment of one of the criteria has already been met. So the moment the referee, or anybody else says off, that player is by definition already suspected of concussion. = HIA 1 failed, before the 13 minutes has even begun.

    Dr O’Driscoll dismissed the explanation as “confusing and conflicting and contradictory” and added that World Rugby’s use of pitchside assessments was placing team doctors in an invidious position.

    “The player’s brain is vulnerable after signs or symptoms of a concussion, and, if you look at this 13-minute rule, now, that rugby have, and the guidance they are giving to the elite doctors, it is conflicting,” said Dr O’Driscoll. “It is contradictory and it is putting the doctors in a quite impossible situation.

    “If you have to take a player off for a test of his brain, something has happened and that means you must keep that player off.”

    If the protocol was fit for purpose it’d apply to the amateur game too.
    This in spades. If someone needs an HIA, you are suspecting something has happened to that players brain. There are indicators he has suffered a brain injury. As occurs in the amateur game in Scotland, this should automatically exclude that player from returning to the pitch as they have a suspected concussion.

    If there is subsequent monitoring, no symptoms etc. I have no problem with them retuning to play in 7 days, but I do believe if there is enough suspicion of head injury to require an assessment, there is enough indication of concussion to remove the player from that game permanently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    I'm not digging, but could someone explain how "expert care" facilitates better concussion recovery? Or is that the point that you were making?
    Exactly
    Laat Wednesday Biggar took more than one blow to the head, the last one knocking him unconscious.

    In a grass roots club I do not think they would be playing him on Sunday

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