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    Default Re: RSA vs ITA - Uncontested Scrums?

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Didn’t they have the required number of replacements but both THs were injured so they had fulfilled their obligations ie no need to reduce.
    That's not the way it works in international rugby.
    Teams always fulfill the requirements , otherwise their squad list would have been rejected when they submitted it

    If they go uncontested they go to 14

    (That's the same in RFU leagues as well for that matter, but merit table regs differ enormously)

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    Default Re: RSA vs ITA - Uncontested Scrums?

    3.27.b is at odds with 3.17:
    3.27.b: Is temporarily replaced (even if all the replacements have been used). The game cannot restart until the player who requires an HIA has been temporarily replaced. If the player is not available to return to the field of play after 10 minutes (actual time) of leaving the playing area, the replacement becomes permanent.
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    Default Re: RSA vs ITA - Uncontested Scrums?

    Clarification 1 of 2018 although in itself confusing , confirms that
    - man off applies, they should be at 14
    - if the second prop had been YC, rather than injured, they would have had to reduce to 13 !

    https://laws.worldrugby.org/?domain=...ification=1024


    this also shows that thjey should be 14

    https://laws.worldrugby.org/?domain=9&guideline=11
    Last edited by crossref; 04-10-19 at 16:10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Didn’t they have the required number of replacements but both THs were injured so they had fulfilled their obligations ie no need to reduce.
    That was my understanding (once I realised the first prop had been subbed), am sure we'll find out if it went wrong

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    Default Re: RSA vs ITA - Uncontested Scrums?

    So, from other sources (who I don’t doubt as at a decent level here in the UK), if the reason for uncontested was an HIA (as here) / Head, blood, or foul play injury they don’t go man off, a regular injury or tactical they do.

    So in this case had injuries been other way round (HIA, then Hamstring) they would have had to drop to 14

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    Default Re: RSA vs ITA - Uncontested Scrums?

    It's as clear as mud , isn't it

    Have Italy been extremely clever with the rules

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    Default Re: RSA vs ITA - Uncontested Scrums?

    World Rugby says

    (d) In a squad of 23 players, or at the discretion of the Union/match organiser, a player whose departure has caused the referee to order uncontested scrums cannot be replaced.


    Presumably at the discretion of the match organiser (RWC) this does not apply.

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    Default Re: RSA vs ITA - Uncontested Scrums?

    Man off does apply.. one of those links WR even talk specifically about man off in a RWC final.

    But I think the loophole .. or complicating factor .. is the fact that the second prop went off for an HIA and when that happens special rules apply.

    I don't think we have heard the last of that because any suspicion of a fake HIA would be like a fake blood injury.. ..
    Last edited by crossref; 04-10-19 at 21:10.

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    Default Re: RSA vs ITA - Uncontested Scrums?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I don't think we have heard the last of that because any suspicion of a fake HIA would be like a fake blood injury.. ..
    The commentator said twice that it was a bit odd because the part of the player that got injured wasn't anywhere near his head...

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    Default Re: RSA vs ITA - Uncontested Scrums?

    Quote Originally Posted by belladonna View Post
    The commentator said twice that it was a bit odd because the part of the player that got injured wasn't anywhere near his head...
    ...and we all know commentators are always correct with their assertions!

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