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    Default Picking the ball up from the ruck

    I was curious if any of you would be able to provide some clarification on what is and is not allowed in regards to picking the ball up from the ruck. I've linked below a particular moment from a game in which the move in question occurs. It appears as if the forwards from the attacking team pick the ball up from the middle of the ruck, while still in contact with the ruck. The announcer proclaims that this should be a penalty, as the forward picking up the ball is not the hindmost player in the ruck. However, upon looking at the World Rugby rules on rucking, no mention is made of this issue. What is the proper call on a move like this?

    https://youtu.be/m_KfBdl7bx8?t=2244

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    Technically you cant handle the ball in a ruck (Law 15.11), however in reality once the ball is clearly won for sake of continuity its generally allowed. Unlike scrums that hasn't been explicitly written into law

    In the video grey headgear for blue isn't actually bound, so he hasn't joined the ruck in terms of Law 15.7, so he is effectively the scrum half. Cant see an issue.

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    I agree that it's fine, both feet behind the ball so play on all day. Apart from what what he does not being illegal If you look at it contextually why would you give a penalty, he has in no way denied a contest.

    The commentator seems to have an opinion but he is looking at it from someone who has read the law book and formed his own interpretation.

    Were you the ref by any chance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UpandUnder View Post
    The commentator seems to have an opinion but he is looking at it from someone who has read the law book and formed his own interpretation.
    Agreed. Pity he didn't read the terminology section though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    Agreed. Pity he didn't read the terminology section though.
    If you watch another 10 minutes or so he starts to say it at every second ruck

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    Default Re: Picking the ball up from the ruck

    Looks fine to me.

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    Default Re: Picking the ball up from the ruck

    It might help if it was possible to read the laws and understand what they meant.

    Or if there was an official book explaining the laws - sometihing like the old RFU book Rugby Success starts here by Derek Robinson (which provided many of the pictures used in the current laws) or the Flemming and Anderson guide to the laws that was put out in time for the first world cup.

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    Agree, it looks fine, however we're slightly hamstrung by what's accepted as bound into a ruck at higher levels, ie in some cases that much contact is considered as part of the ruck for the long conga chains that extends the back foot - so there is an argument for being consistent. I mean if the ball were three players further back in the above example and 'bound' the same would you be calling ball out or at the back foot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UpandUnder View Post
    I agree that it's fine, both feet behind the ball so play on all day. Apart from what what he does not being illegal If you look at it contextually why would you give a penalty, he has in no way denied a contest.

    The commentator seems to have an opinion but he is looking at it from someone who has read the law book and formed his own interpretation.

    Were you the ref by any chance?
    Haha no, I'm a player on the team who is opposing them this weekend. My teammates and I had been wondering if what they do is illegal, but it seems pretty clearly that it isn't.

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    Hi,

    Can the ref hear the comms during the game or is it just for the live stream?

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