Last Scrum and Tries Games RWC2019 Wales-France

[JoharyR]

Dear Forum,

I would like to ask a question regarding the last scrum which yielded to Moriarty's Wales try on the 74th minute.
We see the Welsh Scrum half (number 21) unusual position right after the French scrum half introduce the ball in the scrum:
- The Welsh scrum half placed himself beyond his opponent (French scrum half number 21): question. Is it allowed?
- The Welsh scrum half seems (difficult to judge with the video) beyond the line of the ball: question, if he is, is it allowed?
Below an article with the video I have looked (the action I am asking for is in the first second of the video)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...world-cup-exit

Thank you.

[Dickie E]

- The Welsh scrum half placed himself beyond his opponent (French scrum half number 21): question. Is it allowed?
- The Welsh scrum half seems (difficult to judge with the video) beyond the line of the ball: question, if he is, is it allowed?
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The Welsh scrum half needs to keep both feet behind the ball while it is in the scrum. Position to opponent is not relevant. From what I can see he looks fine.

[JoharyR]

The Welsh scrum half needs to keep both feet behind the ball while it is in the scrum. Position to opponent is not relevant. From what I can see he looks fine.

Thanks a lot for your quick and clear answer. Have a nice day.

[Pinky]

Dear Forum,

I would like to ask a question regarding the last scrum which yielded to Moriarty's Wales try on the 74th minute.
We see the Welsh Scrum half (number 21) unusual position right after the French scrum half introduce the ball in the scrum:
- The Welsh scrum half placed himself beyond his opponent (French scrum half number 21): question. Is it allowed?
- The Welsh scrum half seems (difficult to judge with the video) beyond the line of the ball: question, if he is, is it allowed?
Below an article with the video I have looked (the action I am asking for is in the first second of the video)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...world-cup-exit

Thank you.

But the inference of this is that the French S/H must have been offside?

Also it seems to me he was in the gap between the flanker and the no8 which we are toldis a no-go area for the s/h.

[Jolly Roger]

I am amazed that more has not been made of this. I saw the Wales SH as interfering with the France SH, in front of the ball, and in the gap between flanker and No8. I have freeze-framed on a number of occasions and am very surprised that nothing seems to have been said.
He looked offside and interfering when I saw it on live TV and I remain of the same view.

[Wedgie]

R21 is probably offside (momentarily) when he takes a large stride to his right and gets at least one foot in front of the ball.

But B7 (playing No8) changes his bind once the ball in, to go between lock and flanker. (so there is no gap between flanker and No.8) B7 then unbinds and lifts the ball at which point is stripped by R21

B21 doesn't throw the ball in, he puts it on the hooker's foot

B16 (playing hooker) pops up under pressure.

(edit:all of which happened in ~ 4 seconds)

And there are probably other offences. By both sides


So which one do your penalise?

[dg.2011]

Dear Forum,

I would like to ask a question regarding the last scrum which yielded to Moriarty's Wales try on the 74th minute.
We see the Welsh Scrum half (number 21) unusual position right after the French scrum half introduce the ball in the scrum:
- The Welsh scrum half placed himself beyond his opponent (French scrum half number 21): question. Is it allowed?
- The Welsh scrum half seems (difficult to judge with the video) beyond the line of the ball: question, if he is, is it allowed?
Below an article with the video I have looked (the action I am asking for is in the first second of the video)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...world-cup-exit

Thank you.

...no space, no game...

[Marc Wakeham]

R21 is probably offside (momentarily) when he takes a large stride to his right and gets at least one foot in front of the ball.

But B7 (playing No8) changes his bind once the ball in, to go between lock and flanker. (so there is no gap between flanker and No.8) B7 then unbinds and lifts the ball at which point is stripped by R21

B21 doesn't throw the ball in, he puts it on the hooker's foot

B16 (playing hooker) pops up under pressure.

(edit:all of which happened in ~ 4 seconds)

And there are probably other offences. By both sides


So which one do your penalise?

First offence.

[Wedgie]

First offence.

It would take a much braver man than I to penalize/FK a squint feed for the first time in a match, to a team 6 points up, on their 5m line with 5 mins left on the clock..

[Marc Wakeham]

It would take a much braver man than I to penalize/FK a squint feed for the first time in a match, to a team 6 points up, on their 5m line with 5 mins left on the clock..

Why mention it then?

Lets take the offences in order:

0: B21 doesn't throw the ball in, he puts it on the hooker's foot - "we" don't care about this so we are ignoring it.

1: B16 (playing hooker) pops up under pressure. Here's your first offence. Material? Almost ceretainly. Scrum dynamic changed.

2: But B7 (playing No8) changes his bind once the ball in, to go between lock and flanker. (so there is no gap between flanker and No.8) B7 then unbinds and lifts the ball at which point is stripped by R21

3: R21 is probably offside (momentarily) when he takes a large stride to his right and gets at least one foot in front of the ball.

R21 is the 3rd (maybe 4th) offence. Why are we waiting for this one?