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    Default Guirado's disallowed try

    A not-so-commented on incident in the Wales-France game: the French hooker's disallowed try after a stupid pass from his opposite number - called back for no advantage.

    This has had me thinking: if the Welsh hooker had kicked the ball, it'd have probably been advantage over - a kick under no pressure.
    So why would you treat a big wound-up pass differently? He was still under no pressure and used the ball as he wished.

    I can see a few arguments either way, but it seems a bit of an inconsistency.

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    I was surprised to see it go back - I thought Wales had had the opportunity to tactically use the ball as they (somewhat strangely) saw fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcroker View Post
    I was surprised to see it go back - I thought Wales had had the opportunity to tactically use the ball as they (somewhat strangely) saw fit.
    And opportunity to tactically gain an advantage and gaining an advantage are not the same!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post
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    This has had me thinking: if the Welsh hooker had kicked the ball, it'd have probably been advantage over - a kick under no pressure.
    So why would you treat a big wound-up pass differently? He was still under no pressure and used the ball as he wished.

    I can see a few arguments either way, but it seems a bit of an inconsistency.
    I agree

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    Default Re: Guirado's disallowed try

    It's an interesting point. I think with a kick you have the territorial gain, and that is your advantage. If someone kicked it five metres sideways and back I'd probably mentally treat that as a pass - if it was an unpressured low-angle kick that still got charged down, I'd call the advantage back. In any case, I generally call advantage over if the ball's well in the air and over the defensive line. Freedom to play is more to do with a couple of actions; three decent passes, or a pass and a positive breakdown near/over the gainline, etc.

    But it's a good thought to take into future games!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    And opportunity to tactically gain an advantage and gaining an advantage are not the same!
    Exactly.
    Law 7
    1. Advantage :
    d. Must be clear and real. A mere opportunity to gain an advantage is not sufficient.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    if it was an unpressured low-angle kick that still got charged down, I'd call the advantage back.
    If it's charged down then by definition the kick was under pressure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    It's an interesting point. I think with a kick you have the territorial gain, and that is your advantage. If someone kicked it five metres sideways and back I'd probably mentally treat that as a pass - if it was an unpressured low-angle kick that still got charged down, I'd call the advantage back. In any case, I generally call advantage over if the ball's well in the air and over the defensive line. Freedom to play is more to do with a couple of actions; three decent passes, or a pass and a positive breakdown near/over the gainline, etc.

    But it's a good thought to take into future games!
    If a kick is territorial gain , then what is an example of tactical gain ? Making it dead perhaps ?

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    Default Re: Guirado's disallowed try

    May be tactical. The non-offending team is free to play the ball as they wish.


    Just because they wish to try a somewhat puzzling tactic, doesn't necessarily mean they didn't have a tactical advantage. I don't think they were under any real pressure when they made the decision...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    If a kick is territorial gain , then what is an example of tactical gain ? Making it dead perhaps ?
    Sideways kick pass to the winger who is in the open with no one marking him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    Sideways kick pass to the winger who is in the open with no one marking him.
    Isn't that what happened for Wales (pass instead of kick)

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