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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    The inclusivity is an effort to include the Māori minority in the mainstream of NZ sport. Pacific Islanders have their own Hakas. It is like CJ Stander “singing” the National anthem in Gaelic, he has learnt the phonetics, but doesn’t understand the words, since he doesn’t claim to speak Irish.
    So, he could not choose to learn the words and their meaning? A lot of non welsh speakers do that with our anthem.

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    For me the Haka and other similar pre-game on pitch actions have had thie time and need to go; it is proving to be a disruptive factor. Let's get on with the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    The inclusivity is an effort to include the Māori minority in the mainstream of NZ sport. Pacific Islanders have their own Hakas. It is like CJ Stander “singing” the National anthem in Gaelic, he has learnt the phonetics, but doesn’t understand the words, since he doesn’t claim to speak Irish.
    I'm not so sure. I don't want to pre-empt Ian in his moments of grief, but if you compare/contrast the different approaches taken by NZ and Aus to race relations over the years, you would probably find a better integrated society in NZ than perhaps Australia.

    That being so, if Caucasian NZers are brought up that they have a shared heritage with Maori, then their participation in the haka is quite different to that of Mr Stander, who is a blatant import.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gracie View Post
    For me the Haka and other similar pre-game on pitch actions have had thie time and need to go; it is proving to be a disruptive factor. Let's get on with the game
    I am cautiously hopeful that after this world cup, and that game in particular, the tide of opinion may be turning that way.

    Another factor has been the ridiculously long time the haka now takes up (90s of dancing)

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I am cautiously hopeful that after this world cup, and that game in particular, the tide of opinion may be turning that way.

    Another factor has been the ridiculously long time the haka now takes up (90s of dancing)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixpat View Post
    You may be hopeful but it won’t happen
    I am hoping it will get shorter, and it will generally treated with less 'repect'.

    I would like it to be something like the Japanese Drummers .. it happens, it's great, but it's not really important or noticed

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    So, Marler was fined for encroaching into the NZ half during the Haka...
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-wo...e-new-zealand/

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    C'mon chaps, it's part of the game's tradition. Next news you'll want to stop players tackling above shoulder height or awarding more than 3 points for a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belladonna View Post
    So, Marler was fined for encroaching into the NZ half during the Haka...
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-wo...e-new-zealand/
    He has been ? Or he might be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    He has been ? Or he might be?
    Just going on what Mako Vinipola said, as reported by the Telegraph... but he may have jumped the gun.

    At one point during the haka, Marler - never shy in coming forward - had to be told to move back by referee Nigel Owens as he was encroaching into the New Zealand half, an instruction that was predictably ignored.


    "Joe said he got confused!" Mako Vunipola said. "He thought he was supposed to go all the way around them [in a circle] and go to their 10-metre line. Because of that, he's the one who has to pay the fine. He dishes it out a lot so the boys would be more than happy if he has to pay it."

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