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    Default Re: "Modern" interpretations of scrum dominance.

    I would go for a maximum distance
    If the scrum moves 5m then the referee will call use it, and the ball must be used immediately.

    If the scrum is a 5m scrum then law does not apply and pushover tries allowed

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I would go for a maximum distance
    If the scrum moves 5m then the referee will call use it, and the ball must be used immediately.

    If the scrum is a 5m scrum then law does not apply and pushover tries allowed
    I actually reckon that's a decent idea - but it unfortunately (?) creates a line call for the ref. "Sorry guys - this scrum is for a knock on 5.1m out from the line so no push over from here"

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    Default Re: "Modern" interpretations of scrum dominance.

    Back in my playing days we had a pushover from more than 15 metres, back then no thought from opposition of collapse, whether winning or losing scrum contest you fought to the end, no wheeling, collapsing or standing up

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    I remember being at Twickenham many years ago in the old South Stand on a freezing cold day. The pitch was frozen and England pushed Ireland back from 5 meters out (or was it yards?). The Irish forwards could not get a grip, but they remained bound as they slid backwards.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    Just like a scrum has to formed within 30 seconds of the referee making the mark?

    Can really see that working at showbiz level, not!
    Well we know none of it will work if thelaws are not used. All our discussions are pointless when you accept that WR has the "unwritten" law book hidden away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    I actually reckon that's a decent idea - but it unfortunately (?) creates a line call for the ref. "Sorry guys - this scrum is for a knock on 5.1m out from the line so no push over from here"

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    That is why I go for time. If yo ucan pus hthe length of the field in 10 seconds good luck to you.

    If yo usay 5 meters you get your scenario. Alternatively a side might take a minute to move half a yard (remember that French(?) video) % / 10 15 seconds and that is all the game time that gets eaten up and the scrong scrum get rewarded by territory.

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    This discussion I think has been mostly about show biz rugby

    What about grassroots rugby. How do people manage the situation where one team is driving the other back , until eventually things fall apart

    Lots of PK in the same way ? Something else ?

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    Default Re: "Modern" interpretations of scrum dominance.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    This discussion I think has been mostly about show biz rugby

    What about grassroots rugby. How do people manage the situation where one team is driving the other back , until eventually things fall apart

    Lots of PK in the same way ? Something else ?
    "Captain, you know you're better than them, they know you're better than them and I know you're better than them. Everyone works on Monday. Win the ball, don't destroy them and I wont go uncontested"

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    Default Re: "Modern" interpretations of scrum dominance.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    This discussion I think has been mostly about show biz rugby

    What about grassroots rugby. How do people manage the situation where one team is driving the other back , until eventually things fall apart

    Lots of PK in the same way ? Something else ?
    Id agree - largely. But I do see level scrums winning PKs in this way. Whether that is a deliberate tactic by the PK winners, or a happy (for them!) by product is open to conjecture...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerCraig View Post
    "Captain, you know you're better than them, they know you're better than them and I know you're better than them. Everyone works on Monday. Win the ball, don't destroy them and I wont go uncontested"
    But surely only if the destruction is becoming unsafe? If its just a case as per what we saw last saturday of the beaten side losing players off the edges, and spinning around loosely with nobody standing up or ending up on the ground, that's not unsafe (certainly compared to a huge smash tackle! LOL ) so why make such a "threat" ?

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