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    Quote Originally Posted by belladonna View Post
    From what I can find in the laws (dangerous, I know!) for a tackle to be completed the tackler doesn't need to go to ground, it only requires the ball carrier to be brought to ground and held:
    It's in the Definitions section, tackler holds the tackled player and goes to ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belladonna View Post
    From what I can find in the laws (dangerous, I know!) for a tackle to be completed the tackler doesn't need to go to ground, it only requires the ball carrier to be brought to ground and held:
    Nope.

    It requires them to be HELD and THEN brought to ground. As the law reference you provided says. That order is very important

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    I suppose that electing to stick a knee on the ground is not _actually_ being brought to ground by one or more opponents though.

    "For a tackle to occur, the ball-carrier is held and brought to ground by one or more opponents."


    ie the opponents didn't take him/her to ground. They went there themselves.

    I appreciate that isn't how its whistled in these circumstances. Just chucking that in... because that is however what the LAW requires.

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    True, but would you want mauls on demand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    I suppose that electing to stick a knee on the ground is not _actually_ being brought to ground by one or more opponents though.


    "14.2 -
    • Being brought to ground means that the ball-carrier is lying, sitting or has at least one knee on the ground or on another player who is on the ground.

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    Default Re: Tackle Release

    The distinction of "tackler" is redundant now anyway since tbeir rights were abolished

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    Default Re: Tackle Release

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    I suppose that electing to stick a knee on the ground is not _actually_ being brought to ground by one or more opponents though.

    "For a tackle to occur, the ball-carrier is held and brought to ground by one or more opponents."


    ie the opponents didn't take him/her to ground. They went there themselves.

    I appreciate that isn't how its whistled in these circumstances. Just chucking that in... because that is however what the LAW requires.

    didds
    Indeed. However, almost impossible to manage. Common sense has to apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerCraig View Post
    The distinction of "tackler" is redundant now anyway since tbeir rights were abolished
    Very true.

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    Default Re: Tackle Release

    Had just this conversation with a significantly more experienced ref just his weekend, ultimately we got to the point that if a ball carrier going to ground does not make a tackle (as was being argued in the specific wording) then 'what is it' and 'who has to do what' - arguably ball carrier has to present or release, but what about the 'non tackler'? Where's the offside line (assume there isn't one) etc, etc

    As @Mark says above, impossible to manage so I think we have to go with the expected norm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    As @Mark says above, impossible to manage so I think we have to go with the expected norm
    well, Id still say its the "expected" norm - because its become the norm. In a parallel universe it never started that way so they have a different scenario.

    I do accept that it makes for a simple solution all round.

    maybe the wording needs changing then to eg

    "For a tackle to occur, the ball-carrier is held by one or more opponents, and is on the ground"

    Thereby subtly encompassing this "norm" whilst maintaining the more generalised requirements of the tackle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    maybe the wording needs changing then to eg

    "For a tackle to occur, the ball-carrier is held by one or more opponents, and is on the ground"
    That means that if a player falls on the ball, you can tackle him. Not sure that is a good idea.
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