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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Indeed. In a similar vein, attackers kick ball into in-goal, defender mucks around with it, gets wrapped up (ball not grounded) and situation becomes unplayable. Restart?
    21.17 applies here ?
    When a player carrying the ball is held up in the in-goal so that the player cannot ground or play the ball, the ball is dead. Play restarts with a five-metre scrum, in line with the place where the player was held up. The attacking team throws in.

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    Does it - it goes against the general rule that if the attackers take it in and it is made dead it is a 22m drop out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post
    Does it - it goes against the general rule that if the attackers take it in and it is made dead it is a 22m drop out.
    Well, that general rule isn't in the Law Book any more now, just various scenarios... so I would say 21.17 applies , as it specifically covers it

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    maybe the nuance is that the ball hasnt become dead, its become unplayable, particularly on safety grounds (lots of bodies trying to get the ball to gro9und akin to a collapsed maul scenario which is illegal normally cos of safety grounds etc).

    So its a restart following that unsuccessful attempt etc ?

    maybe?

    that sort of reasoning?

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    And of course we also have the scenario where the attackers carry the ball into the in goal, lose possession of the ball and the defenders then make it dead.

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    Default Re: Touch in goal

    But nothing changed with the 2019 law book :-)
    Except it does look like in the event of the defender being held up, the attackers get the scrum - even if they took the ball in.

    crossref's lat scenario is covered by.
    12.11 Apart from at a kick-off or restart kick, if the ball is played or taken into in-goal by an attacking player and is made dead by an opponent, play is restarted with a 22-metre drop-out.
    What is not covered is the attacker making it dead by accidentally stepping into touch in goal
    Last edited by Camquin; 4 Weeks Ago at 15:11.

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    Default Re: Touch in goal

    I always try to think (as I have said several times over the years on this forum) as to what is the intent behind the laws whenever there is doubt or confusion in the laws. If the attacking team puts the ball in the in-goal area and has time to play it and then cocks up the attempt to play out then the benefit should be given to the attacking side. With the ball having been played into the in-goal area and the defender tackled then that is good play by the attacking team and poor play by the defending side. So why reward poor play with a chance to gain 80+ metres with a kick, for example?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post

    What is not covered is the attacker making it dead by accidentally stepping into touch in goal
    we've been here before. What would the law makers have been wanting to draw a distinction for is the real question? And on the basis they don't and we as a group have actually failed to illustrate anything else (cos nothing is obvious) we are left with the conclusion they were trying to be clever with their words (and failed dismally), it hasn't been/wasn't proof read properly, and the 12 year old has now gone for a fag break


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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    . If the attacking team puts the ball in the in-goal area and has time to play it and then cocks up the attempt to play out then the benefit should be given to the attacking side. With the ball having been played into the in-goal area and the defender tackled then that is good play by the attacking team and poor play by the defending side. So why reward poor play with a chance to gain 80+ metres with a kick, for example?
    Hang on .. so the scenario of
    Attackers kick into in goal
    Defender gathers , and tries to counter, but is tackled into TIG

    What are you giving ?
    I would give a 22m , but you seem to be saying a 5m scrum ??
    Last edited by crossref; 4 Weeks Ago at 16:11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Hang on .. so the scenario of
    Attackers kick into in goal
    Defender gathers , and tries to counter, but is tackled into TIG

    What are you giving ?
    I would give a 22m , but you seem to be saying a 5m scrum ??
    No, my bad wording. I was agreeing with you in relation to 21.17 and equated tackling with holding up. Too much rushing and brain not co-ordinating with hands!

    I wouldn’t want to contradict my own post at#12.

    Apart from being held up (which in effect is being made dead by the attacking side) all groundings and touches are made by the defending side and hence the poor play by the attacking side should not be rewarded.
    Last edited by Balones; 4 Weeks Ago at 16:11.

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