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    Default Re: Thrown Backwards, Bounces Forwards

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Wouldn't reverting to the Laws of the game easily rectify the difficulties you refer to and allow for consistency and ease of application ie did the ball travel forward from the hand or arm and if so it's a knock on if not then play on!
    There will be a few members of this forum that played when a ‘readjustment’ (juggling) was not permitted and you had to make a clean catch from a pass (or catch?) and might have some empathy with your point. I can’t remember exactly when the law was changed to allow readjustment but one of the arguments at the time was that there was no consistency over what exactly was a readjustment/knock-on. It was open to interpretation. The floor or a player is in theory a more definitive position. The cat is well and truly out of the bag on this one and will never be put back in. The intention of the law makers is to try to keep as much continuity in the game as possible. To do this the laws have partially been changed occasionally over the years to meet a lower skill set on the part of players. (Controversial maybe but that will be for another thread!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    There will be a few members of this forum that played when a ‘readjustment’ (juggling) was not permitted and you had to make a clean catch from a pass (or catch?) and might have some empathy with your point. I can’t remember exactly when the law was changed to allow readjustment but one of the arguments at the time was that there was no consistency over what exactly was a readjustment/knock-on. It was open to interpretation. The floor or a player is in theory a more definitive position. The cat is well and truly out of the bag on this one and will never be put back in. The intention of the law makers is to try to keep as much continuity in the game as possible. To do this the laws have partially been changed occasionally over the years to meet a lower skill set on the part of players. (Controversial maybe but that will be for another thread!)
    I think you are misunderstanding me...
    In relation to the interpretation of the slap/bat of the ball in a backwards direction I am simply saying that the easiest way to judge it is as the Law book states instead of insisting it be called a knock-on on despite the fact that it hasn't met the 'standard' as written.

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    How about we discuss the particular incident mentioned in the original post.
    Video of same provided in my post #35. Not even a hint of a juggle in sight! Nor a knock-on
    If the thread reminds somebody of an entirely different scenario, there’s nothing stopping them from creating their own discussion to discuss just that. First newbie I have seen on here in a while and he gets his discussion hijacked. Well done gents.
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    Default Re: Thrown Backwards, Bounces Forwards

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    How about we discuss the particular incident mentioned in the original post. Video of same provided in my post #35.
    If the thread reminds somebody of an entirely different scenario, there’s nothing stopping them from creating their own discussion to discuss that. First newbie I have seen on here in a while and he gets his discussion hijacked. Well done gents.
    I appreciate the point you are making. I had thought that the responses on the first page had dealt completely with and resolved the initial enquiry and that the thread had moved on. Perhaps the thread should have been moved to a new one at some point. I wouldn’t say that the thread was necessarily hi-jacked but rather ‘developed’, which hopefully the original poster as a newbie would also have found interesting and informative. If not then I would like to proffer my apologies for contributing inappropriately.

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    Default Re: Thrown Backwards, Bounces Forwards

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    How about we discuss the particular incident mentioned in the original post.
    Video of same provided in my post #35. Not even a hint of a juggle in sight! Nor a knock-on
    If the thread reminds somebody of an entirely different scenario, there’s nothing stopping them from creating their own discussion to discuss just that. First newbie I have seen on here in a while and he gets his discussion hijacked. Well done gents.
    The OP got a very clear answer to their query.
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    Default Re: Thrown Backwards, Bounces Forwards

    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    I appreciate the point you are making. I had thought that the responses on the first page had dealt completely with and resolved the initial enquiry and that the thread had moved on. Perhaps the thread should have been moved to a new one at some point. I wouldn’t say that the thread was necessarily hi-jacked but rather ‘developed’, which hopefully the original poster as a newbie would also have found interesting and informative. If not then I would like to proffer my apologies for contributing inappropriately.
    I’m not pointing the finger at anyone. The bounce forward, was an interesting enough topic and not nearly as clear cut Decorily suggests. The pass was very flat to begin with, momentum drifting it forward before it bounces at all. And all too close to the physios on the field of play.

    As things stand, we cannot use the forum as a reference/resource, because searching the archives shows, thread titles are vague, threads digress after about three or four posts. The most prolific posters appear more interested in chat, than clear, consise answers with linked sources. Also RRF appears to have been hacked again, I keep getting the Website not secure warning when I log in. Have also seen “guests” listed as private messaging, on the who’s online facility, how is that even possible?
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    Default Re: Thrown Backwards, Bounces Forwards

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    How about we discuss the particular incident mentioned in the original post.
    Video of same provided in my post #35.
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    Default Re: Thrown Backwards, Bounces Forwards

    [QUOTE=NormanHurst;365414

    Player A throws a long pass out wide towards Player B. The pass is backwards but the ball doesn't reach Player B and then clearly bounces 2-3m forward on the ground, ahead of the line where Player A threw the ball. Player B picks it up and runs on to score. Should this be "thrown forward" and a scrum to the defending team - or is the bounce irrelevant as the initial pass was legal?
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    Sorry now but the OP scenario is VERY clear cut!
    It states as fact that the pass was "backwards " and the ball subsequently "bounces (2-3m) forward ".
    The simple question was should this scenario be called as a forward pass.

    The very simple and straightforward answer is, as given, no.

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    Default Re: Thrown Backwards, Bounces Forwards

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    I’m not pointing the finger at anyone. The bounce forward, was an interesting enough topic and not nearly as clear cut Decorily suggests. The pass was very flat to begin with, momentum drifting it forward before it bounces at all. And all too close to the physios on the field of play.

    As things stand, we cannot use the forum as a reference/resource, because searching the archives shows, thread titles are vague, threads digress after about three or four posts. The most prolific posters appear more interested in chat, than clear, consise answers with linked sources. Also RRF appears to have been hacked again, I keep getting the Website not secure warning when I log in. Have also seen “guests” listed as private messaging, on the who’s online facility, how is that even possible?
    We had an "uber" related sales pitch on here and a number of mew posters with some "intersting / odd" questions. Yes I think we have been hacked in some way.

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    Default Re: Thrown Backwards, Bounces Forwards

    OB.. you need a VPN to overcome that country restriction issue.

    @Decorily As early as #5 you changed topic. The discussion is about a specific incident. Yet without even looking to find a replay, you dismissed it as solved.
    Sorry, that’s not particularly helpful. Also the OP doesn’t say that he’s not a referee, so wrong to assume whether he is or not. Even if he’s just a supporter, the pass looked wrong to him, hence the question. At least take the time to see it with your own eyes before deciding if it legal, or not.

    Any fan describing a (legal) momentum pass where the passer is tackled, will say the ball went forward 5m and more, yet the referee allowed play continue. Sounds like a forward pass, until you see the replay and realise it was the correct call to play on.


    In this full match replay, it start at a ruck on the near touch line. (Unable to timestamp it with my iPad) Match clock for ruck 56 minutes 42 seconds. Or 1 hour 14 minutes and 18 seconds on this reel. The incident occurs 10 seconds later near the opposite touchline.
    Last edited by L'irlandais; 2 Weeks Ago at 08:11.
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