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    Default Re: Folauís online comments have taken a turn for the worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    It's being used that way precisely because of the connotations. No better than "homo" or "fag".
    that's my point - to many younger folk it has no homophobic connotation. What would you do if someone called an opponent a "friend of Dorothy"?
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    Default Re: Folauís online comments have taken a turn for the worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    Well, it's not being used as a compliment, is it? It's being used that way precisely because of the connotations. No better than "homo" or "fag".

    No tolerance. Offski.
    Sorry Simon, that is sticks and stones. If a player really has a problem with such language, that is why his 11 teammates. I say eleven because we can't really include 9, 11,14 for help.

    A RC by a referee for language, aside from a threat of harm, is acting as thought police. No matter how you are personally offended.

    And if in fact the offended player is gay, it isn't even slander. Worse yet, if the RC'd player who used "gay" is in fact gay. Now what do you do?

    Refs are not in charge of language or thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    that's my point - to many younger folk it has no homophobic connotation. What would you do if someone called an opponent a "friend of Dorothy"?
    What about "friend of bill"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    A RC by a referee for language, aside from a threat of harm, is acting as thought police.
    I think there are some words, that if used, are clearly RC-worthy.

    But there's also a whole set that are in the grey area. As Ian suggests, if a player called another a "gypsy" I'd be nonplussed - probably think he's a Fleetwood Mac fan
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    Default Re: Folauís online comments have taken a turn for the worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    A RC by a referee for language, aside from a threat of harm, is acting as thought police. No matter how you are personally offended.
    What nonsense! They can think what they like. It's acting as behaviour police, which is absolutely a role of the referee. If I carded everyone who had a disrespectful thought about a match official I'd be lucky to reach half time, but if they display that on the pitch then I act to show that it has no place in the game.

    And if in fact the offended player is gay, it isn't even slander. Worse yet, if the RC'd player who used "gay" is in fact gay. Now what do you do?
    RC him/her. Because it's about behaving respectfully, not legal consequences. Whether or not certain actions are illegal in certain jurisdictions, rugby is a game of standards as well as laws.

    Refs are not in charge of language or thought.
    So you wouldn't card the 9 who disagrees with your call with a full-throated "f*** you, you cheating c***"? It's freedom of expression after all.

    Or does your spirit only extend to protecting the players' rights to insult others on the basis of their race and sexuality?

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    Default Re: Folauís online comments have taken a turn for the worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    Joe Marler is an oft misunderstood player. Quite what heís trying to get across in this prematch interview I donít know. ďTaking the horse to the water, and asking it to drink or swim.Ē is a mixed metaphor if ever I heard one.

    Come back Eric Cantona all is forgiven, we have forgotten about the seagulls remark, honest.


    It appears the Welsh prop called him a Ēposh English c?nt !Ē. Some would consider that mitigating circumstances. While I could well imagine Joe Marler coming out with some racist Irish comment in my presence. Not convinced Iíd voice my objections too loudly at the bar in the Stoop. Now if he made the same comment at a bar in Limerick of a Friday night, I might well pull him up over if. The odds would be less in his favour. Although to be fair, the bouncers would probaly step in to save me, and kick me out, and apologize to Mr Marler for my drunkenness.

    I had heard the Talbot House story before, but your post made me google it once more.
    (To figure out what ďDim as a Toc aiche lampĒ meant.)

    In the linked interview heís taking the P.....

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    Default Re: Folauís online comments have taken a turn for the worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kurt Weaver View Post
    Sorry Simon, that is sticks and stones. If a player really has a problem with such language, that is why his 11 teammates. I say eleven because we can't really include 9, 11,14 for help.

    A RC by a referee for language, aside from a threat of harm, is acting as thought police. No matter how you are personally offended.

    And if in fact the offended player is gay, it isn't even slander. Worse yet, if the RC'd player who used "gay" is in fact gay. Now what do you do?

    Refs are not in charge of language or thought.



    What about "friend of bill"?
    World Rugby disagree with you, as the sanction table I laid out upthread shows.

    Are we really taking this to the point where we're trying to decide what kind of homophobic abuse is acceptable? What next, 'racial terms that aren't actually racist because I didn't mean it that way'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    Are we really taking this to the point where we're trying to decide what kind of homophobic abuse is acceptable? What next, 'racial terms that aren't actually racist because I didn't mean it that way'?
    NKW is too black and you are too white (or vice versa ).

    There are shades of grey that we need to acknowledge and be cognisant of. Not just in this matter but in all facets of life.
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    Default Re: Folauís online comments have taken a turn for the worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    NKW is too black and you are too white (or vice versa ).

    There are shades of grey that we need to acknowledge and be cognisant of. Not just in this matter but in all facets of life.
    Dickie! Don't you realise that you are in an internet forum?!? There are only two views - Mine and Wrong.

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    Default Re: Folauís online comments have taken a turn for the worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    NKW is too black and you are too white (or vice versa ).

    There are shades of grey that we need to acknowledge and be cognisant of. Not just in this matter but in all facets of life.
    Go on. What is the grey area on slurs? I'm interested. This sounds like old white men trying to find excuses to call people whatever the hell they like.
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    Default Re: Folauís online comments have taken a turn for the worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    Go on. What is the grey area on slurs? I'm interested. This sounds like old white men trying to find excuses to call people whatever the hell they like.
    Well, you can't be too interested or you would have read posts # 29 & 33
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