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    Default Re: Non Competing at a Maul

    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    What if they move the ball to the back and then the defense engages? Scrum for accidental offside or PK for obstruction?
    ref calls "use it". If they don't, scrum.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    If the lineout is over they can come round and get the ball.
    If the lineout is not over they can't leave it

    It's customary for the ref to signal when the lineout is over
    But thepercy asked "What if they move the ball to the back and then the defence engages?"...... ie the maul has formed therefore they can't come around as you suggest!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    But thepercy asked "What if they move the ball to the back and then the defence engages?"...... ie the maul has formed therefore they can't come around as you suggest!
    a 'maul like thing' rather than an actual maul, right? We are talking about the scenario where one team step aside and don't maul

    So if no maul has formed, and the ball has left the lineout then the lineout is over 18.37.a. The ref will lower his hand, and then the oppo can leave the lineout and go for the ball

    If they do form a maul, then a maul is formed

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    Default Re: Non Competing at a Maul

    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    What if they move the ball to the back and then the defense engages? Scrum for accidental offside or PK for obstruction?
    thepercy specifically asked about the scenario ".....and then the defence engages? "

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    Default Re: Non Competing at a Maul

    guys, you're talking about 2 different things:
    1. defenders engage with maul thing from the front, and
    2. defenders don't engage but come around the back.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Non Competing at a Maul

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    But thepercy asked "What if they move the ball to the back and then the defence engages?"...... ie the maul has formed therefore they can't come around as you suggest!
    No maul in the situation thepercy asks about - its a quick "use it" call and sanction from there if they don't.

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    Default Re: Non Competing at a Maul

    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    What if they move the ball to the back and then the defense engages? Scrum for accidental offside or PK for obstruction?
    For me it depends on hat the ball carrying side are doing. If they are mostly stationery, then it is us it and possibly a scrum for accidental offside/ not using it. If they have started to drive forward before the defenders engage, then I am going with the PK for obstruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    For me it depends on hat the ball carrying side are doing. If they are mostly stationery, then it is us it and possibly a scrum for accidental offside/ not using it. If they have started to drive forward before the defenders engage, then I am going with the PK for obstruction.
    The whole point of the guidance is that the teams shouldn't be able to win a PK by using the non compete ploy. The best they should hope for is a scrum for accidental offside

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    Default Re: Non Competing at a Maul

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    For me it depends on hat the ball carrying side are doing. If they are mostly stationery, then it is us it and possibly a scrum for accidental offside/ not using it. If they have started to drive forward before the defenders engage, then I am going with the PK for obstruction.
    Then you are doing it different to the guidance, and potentially what every other referee is doing.

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