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    Default Re: Offside oddities #2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I'd blow it up for offiside. There is a general tenet in rugby that incidental & deliberate contact with the ball are one & the same. For example, ball going back into 22.
    Played = Intentionally touched. (definitions)

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    Default Re: Offside oddities #2

    Of course - half asleep as usual.
    So they only reason for awardng the try is if you have not read 2017 laws and think he did not play the ball under the 2019 definition which requires intent. But we know the 2019 laws did no introduce any changes :-)

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    Default Re: Offside oddities #2

    The 2017 laws were the same as now, but not well expressed

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    Default Re: Offside oddities #2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    before locking that in, answer me this:

    there has been some hectic play on or near Red goal line. A frantic Red player hack kicks the ball towards touch but it bounces off the bum (aka ass) of a Blue player. As luck would have it, it bounces forward and lands in the arms of a Blue prop who has been having a breather in Red in-goal. He dots the ball down for his first try in 27 seasons. All good?
    What if (bending your situation slightly) the Blue prop had been beyond the dbl when the ball landed in the in-goal, and he promptly dives on it and claims a try?

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    Default Re: Offside oddities #2

    Still offside? Would need to come from an onside position as he's still technically 'in front'? No law reference to hand but am confident I could sell it

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    Default Re: Offside oddities #2

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Team mates of the charger are offside (if in front of the charger obv)

    Team mates of the kicker are onside , as ball last played by the charger
    except under 10m law? innit?

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    Default Re: Offside oddities #2

    my initial thought was blue 9 not offside

    i wasn't sure about the deliberately played bit - but if indeed the ball voncing off 7's bum accidentally means not offside in front then blue 9 wouldnt have top eben pass blue 7 to then reverse course tyo play the ball. He can just grab it.

    I like dickeie's query about the bl;oke scoring etc - brilliant!

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    Default Re: Offside oddities #2

    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    Still offside? Would need to come from an onside position as he's still technically 'in front'? No law reference to hand but am confident I could sell it
    Intuitively I would be tempted to agree with you but according to (my reading of) the law book you can only be offside in open play "anywhere in the playing area" which includes the pitch and dead ball areas (from the definitions) but nowhere else, so the prop standing beyond the dbl can't be offside... or have I got something wrong?
    I agree with you about selling it as offside though - much easier to sell than awarding the try!!

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    Default Re: Offside oddities #2

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Team mates of the charger are offside (if in front of the charger obv)

    Team mates of the kicker are onside , as ball last played by the charger
    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    except under 10m law? innit?

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    I don't think so -

    10.4c This is known as the 10-metre law and still applies if the ball touches or is played by an opponent but not when the kick is charged down.

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    Default Re: Offside oddities #2

    Quote Originally Posted by belladonna View Post
    Intuitively I would be tempted to agree with you but according to (my reading of) the law book you can only be offside in open play "anywhere in the playing area" which includes the pitch and dead ball areas (from the definitions) but nowhere else, so the prop standing beyond the dbl can't be offside... or have I got something wrong?
    that would lead to the tactic of placing a player permanently outside the oppositions' in-goal area, kicking the ball into in-goal then the player diving on the ball for a try.
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