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    Yes, that meaning is drawn from the premise that the original crusades were themselves morally right. A false premise

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    FAir point. However the past is a foreign land, they do things differently there. Modern military interventions are not so different. It is wrong to assume that the Kurdish Saladin was protecting his homeland against Europeans. He was out to squash all opposition and imposed his religion on everyone. He’d have included Western Europe in that if left to his own devices. So if you want to campaign for a name change, then write to Sarries. Sort out stuff on your own doorstep. I get the feeling Muslims enjoy religious freedom in NZ.

    For a change of meaning of any given word, you’ll need to contact the Oxford English Dictionary. Be aware any campaign with them will take the best part of 10 years of your life.
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    The OED record how words are used, they don't dictate how they are used

    No one nowadays would go on a crusade, because of the negative connotations of the word

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    Jeez.....there appears to be one or two on this site who think they are on a crusade!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    The OED record how words are used, they don't dictate how they are used

    No one nowadays would go on a crusade, because of the negative connotations of the word
    A quick search of Google points out just how ridiculous your last sentence is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    The OED record how words are used, they don't dictate how they are used

    No one nowadays would go on a crusade, because of the negative connotations of the word
    You must lead a sheltered life - haven't you heard of Greta Thunberg!
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    Saracen was a general term for Arab, in Europe. A closer translation of "crusader" in both meaning and use would be "jihadist".

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    If you want t ogo through the OED (and others in other countries) to check the etymology of all the words contained therein you wil have a mssive job removing all the ones with a dubious past.

    Words, and their usage, evolve with the passing of time. Most people don't give the origin of a word a second thought (or even a first one).

    Move on, the muslims in Crusaderville don't seem to bothered: "While the city’s Islamic community preferred not to be involved in the discussions associated with branding review, they made no request for the name to be changed. Members of that community are fans and support the team at games".

    Outsiders getting all offended without asking if the "affected" folk are even bothered!
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    The OED record how words are used, they don't dictate how they are used

    No one nowadays would go on a crusade, because of the negative connotations of the word
    When I arrived in the UK the RiBA had finished a ten year campaign to get the OED to change the entry for Architect to include the mention “member of the RiBA”
    Within months of their victory, Margaret Thatcher had removed the word Architect from Building contracts and replaced it with the term Contract manager. It one foul swoop of the pen she condemned tens of thousands of qualified architects to unemployment and had ensured a rich retirement for herself; as her buddies could blight Britain with monstrosities of shopping centers without any Architects to be in a position to veto such outrageous projects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    When I arrived in the UK the RiBA had finished a ten year campaign to get the OED to change the entry for Architect to include the mention “member of the RiBA”
    Within months of their victory, Margaret Thatcher had removed the word Architect from Building contracts and replaced it with the term Contract manager. It one foul swoop of the pen she condemned tens of thousands of qualified architects to unemployment and had ensured a rich retirement for herself; as her buddies could blight Britain with monstrosities of shopping centers without any Architects to be in a position to veto such outrageous projects.
    Much as I like MT as much as the next Goldthorpe resident I think shitty buildings pre-date her arrival in No. 10.

    Just think what tens of thousands of unemployed architects did to the UK's Bow Tie industry?
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