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    The legislation under Thatcher was aimed specifically at allowing out of town shopping centers, not Prince Charles style carbuncles in general. Removing the word architect from the contracts was devastating.
    So we can only thank her for this particular blight on the landscape, she not to blame for the rest of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Yes, that meaning is drawn from the premise that the original crusades were themselves morally right. A false premise
    Utter bollocks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    If you want t ogo through the OED (and others in other countries) to check the etymology of all the words contained therein you wil have a mssive job removing all the ones with a dubious past.

    Words, and their usage, evolve with the passing of time. Most people don't give the origin of a word a second thought (or even a first one).

    Move on, the muslims in Crusaderville don't seem to bothered: "While the city’s Islamic community preferred not to be involved in the discussions associated with branding review, they made no request for the name to be changed. Members of that community are fans and support the team at games".
    THIS!

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    Outsiders getting all offended without asking if the "affected" folk are even bothered!
    Yup. Professional Offence Takers who have no effing idea about the demographics or the people of an area (much less having ever been there themselves) poke their unwanted, unwelcome noses in and pontificate upon subjects they know nothing about. Most of what they do know was learned from Googleversity, rather than living most of their lives there... like me.
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    Utter bollocks
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    It’s easy enough to get an idea of the demographics of a city without ever having lived there. NZ census archives. And living in a city doesn’t necessarily mean being aware of how minorities suffer in said city. Here in Mulhouse, most of my buddies have zero contact with Muslims. Locals to Wellington might be surprised to learn that Islam first arrived in New Zealand in 1769.
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    We live in this country, we see and we feel what it means to be Muslims in New Zealand. New Zealanders do not have to be taught how to express their compassion and love to their Muslim compatriots, because we have lived with these values for decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    It’s easy enough to get an idea of the demographics of a city without ever having lived there. NZ census archives. And living in a city doesn’t necessarily mean being aware of how minorities suffer in said city. Here in Mulhouse, most of my buddies have zero contact with Muslims. Locals to Wellington might be surprised to learn that Islam first arrived in New Zealand in 1769.
    In one of the places I lived in in back in the 1990's, I had two lots of Muslim neighbours. One set was an older couple that pretty much kept to themselves. They smiled and said hello when you saw them in the garden or passed them in the street. The other neighbours were a young couple with children the same age as ours. We had a good relationship with them - we watched each other's houses when one of us was away. The kids played together - one of their girls and one of mine were in the same class, and they walked to and from school together. To this day, they are still friends.

    Facts and figures and statistics will tell you that "a%" of the population are ethnicity "x", and "b%" of the population are religion "y", and "c%" come from country "z". They say nothing of what those people, are like, how their kids play together, who they socialise with, what they do in their spare time, what they think of us, what they are like as neighbours, friends, workmates, colleagues and acquaintances. In short, facts and figures and statistics speak nothing of how it feels to live in a place - you can only get that by living there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    It’s easy enough to get an idea of the demographics of a city without ever having lived there. NZ census archives. And living in a city doesn’t necessarily mean being aware of how minorities suffer in said city. Here in Mulhouse, most of my buddies have zero contact with Muslims. Locals to Wellington might be surprised to learn that Islam first arrived in New Zealand in 1769.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    In one of the places I lived in in back in the 1990's, I had two lots of Muslim neighbours. One set was an older couple that pretty much kept to themselves. They smiled and said hello when you saw them in the garden or passed them in the street. The other neighbours were a young couple with children the same age as ours. We had a good relationship with them - we watched each other's houses when one of us was away. The kids played together - one of their girls and one of mine were in the same class, and they walked to and from school together. To this day, they are still friends.

    Facts and figures and statistics will tell you that "a%" of the population are ethnicity "x", and "b%" of the population are religion "y", and "c%" come from country "z". They say nothing of what those people, are like, how their kids play together, who they socialise with, what they do in their spare time, what they think of us, what they are like as neighbours, friends, workmates, colleagues and acquaintances. In short, facts and figures and statistics speak nothing of how it feels to live in a place - you can only get that by living there.
    Absolutely right Ian. Numbers only give you...numbers. They don't speak to things like acceptance, integration or any other non-quantifiable measures.
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