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    Default Re: Open play, non-maul

    an illegal type of attack, which usually ....
    Good enough for me if I see it in open play.

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    Default Re: Open play, non-maul

    I think we have seen the most resonable response give a scrum but then warn captain that you don't want to see it again. Good preventative refereeing.

    If you are questioned after the game by the assessor you could very reasonably say, I deemed it to be potentially unsafe, point to the flying wedge definition. If you questioned about the USUALLY part of the definition you could say that in your mind 'usually' doesn't exclude all other areas of the game.

    If one player binds up to the ball carrier this is not a FW, I am happy for that to happen throughout the game.

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    I would be looking for is the bound players not staying on their feet after the tackle and preventing access to the ball. Penalty to the defending team and they won't do that again.

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    I don't read the sentence like that - I read it more like... "flying-wedges are illegal, flying-wedges usually happen near the goal line when the attacking team is awarded a penalty or free kick" (i.e. can also happen in open-play).

    ...but I'm not entirely sure this meets the definition of a FW for me. Whilst the OP fits the definition of wedge, 'Red trundle on 10m or so' doesn't particularly sound like it's flying. As observed throughout this thread FW is poorly defined, but I think an element of pace is required.

    The OP sounds like Red were trundling forward at walking pace, trying to start a maul, in which case I'm not entirely sure that they should be penalised because blue choose not to compete. If that's a fair summation of the situation, then I think a PK for tackling the man without the ball wouldn't be inappropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    cue 300 post debate about what is or is not a flying wedge and what it was historically and where on the pitch it happens etc etc etc (CF the previous 200 similar threads).

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    A trundling wedge

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    Default Re: Open play, non-maul

    I thought wedges were illegal as the leading players were offside and obstructing- rather than danger. So trundling or flying they would be illegal.

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    Default Re: Open play, non-maul

    From the OP :

    "Open play, Red pass to a big second row in the middle of the pitch, and he's immediately joined by 3 teammates in a would-be maul formation. Ball at the front in the hands of the second row."

    so no offisde or obstruction. well - obstruction to the BC for anybody coming from behind the line of the ball maybe, but that's true of open play too in backline handling potentially and isnt AIUI a consideration

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post
    I thought wedges were illegal as the leading players were offside and obstructing- rather than danger. So trundling or flying they would be illegal.
    No, they are illegal under the heading "DANGEROUS PLAY" in Law 9

    9.22 Teams must not use the ‘cavalry charge’ or ‘flying wedge’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    No, they are illegal under the heading "DANGEROUS PLAY" in Law 9

    9.22 Teams must not use the ‘cavalry charge’ or ‘flying wedge’.
    Cavalry charge "...a line of attacking players charge forward from a distance. " Like happens after every scrum & lineout?
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