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    Hi all
    Today at U15s girls match i witnessed a girl being knocked out by someones foot during a tackle.
    The girl was face down with arms by her side and did not move for 10 seconds. The girl was head injury assessed by a doctor and cleared to carry on.
    Im confused! Trauma to the head that is enough to knock you out but fit enough to carry on.
    Please educate me as im a confused parent

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    Quote Originally Posted by N1ckalot View Post
    Hi all
    Today at U15s girls match i witnessed a girl being knocked out by someones foot during a tackle.
    The girl was face down with arms by her side and did not move for 10 seconds. The girl was head injury assessed by a doctor and cleared to carry on.
    Im confused! Trauma to the head that is enough to knock you out but fit enough to carry on.
    Please educate me as im a confused parent
    This is absolutely wrong. She should have been removed from the field

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    She did leave field, was assessed then returned 10 minutes later

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Bad.

    We had a kid knocked out yesterday at our 7s. Sparko for a good 30 seconds.
    The Coach did the right thing and pulled him for the rest of the day.

    What you outline is de facto dangerous and goes against every guideline
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    Quote Originally Posted by N1ckalot View Post
    She did leave field, was assessed then returned 10 minutes later
    Its Law 3.24

    If, at any point during a match, a player is concussed or has suspected concussion, that player must be immediately and permanently removed from the playing area. This process is known as “Recognise and Remove”.


    The HIA process is not valid outside the elite game
    Last edited by crossref; 08-12-19 at 23:12.

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    I'd be very surprised if an U15 league/tournament had tournament rules to allow an HIA. Surely this is only relevant to the professional game?

    In Scotland at the level I referee at there is no HIA. I don't care if the pre-eminent concussion expert in the world is on the sideline and says a player has passed a HIA. If they've a suspected head injury, they go off and stay off.

    In your case I be considering reporting the doctor who said the player was safe to continue, and reporting the club as well. If a player has been KO'd there is no way in any game, amateur or professional, that they should continue playing. I am shocked to hear of such a cavalier attitude to a childs health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N1ckalot View Post
    Please educate me as im a confused parent
    Clearly you are the only person who doesn't need to be educated!
    Disgraceful from Referee and Coaches!
    Report same!

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    Or RFU Régulation 9 if you are in England
    9.5 In respect of all other adult and age grade matches or training sessions, participants and all those involved (including coaches, players, parents and club officials) should refer to the RFU Headcase guidance set out in www.englandrugby.com/headcase/ for guidance on prevention, recognition, management and returning to play. All (players, coaches, parents, match officials and club officials) should familiarise themselves with this RFU Headcase guidance.
    Ignorance is no defence.
    9.6 Any individual who exhibits any of the signs or symptoms of concussion should be immediately and permanently removed safely from the field of play, should not return to play that day, and it is recommended that they are referred to a medical or healthcare professional for assessment and advice.
    Effective since August 2018

    9.10 There is further information regarding Age Grade Player safety in the Guidance to Regulation 15 which can be found at: www.englandrugby.com/governance/regulations/
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    Please don't go down the route of regional variations. .... there are none!
    The scenario as described is disgraceful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Clearly you are the only person who doesn't need to be educated!
    Disgraceful from Referee and Coaches!
    Report same!
    Guys, I'd suggest drawing conclusions from the descriptions of a (possibly) disgruntled parent, is not in anyone's best interest. Lack of motion for a short period is not a de facto proof of concussion or loss of consciousness. A concern, I think, better raised with the controlling body than a referee chat site.
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