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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Also a fog of competing instructions might not help everyone to reach the right result

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    This year I've had
    - an U15 player knocked out stone cold at a ruck, and the coach said "I'll take him off for ten minutes and see how he feels"
    - someone wandering aimlessly, who said colours looked funny after a head knock. Tried to come back on after 10 minutes because he felt fine
    - a player who stayed down for a moment after a head knock and said he felt dizzy when I asked; his coach thought it was a bizarre reason not to allow him back on

    I fear the message isn't percolating through as fast and as clearly as we might like.

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    On the whole, safety is surely a genuine dreason to "suggest" as a player to the ref whatever the concern is. Anything else shoud be schtumm (or I at leastc ant think of anything else).

    But I can also see it is a bit of a can of worms as "safety concerns" could come from non-refereeing players, coaches, blazers and even spectators etc. That's where it starts to get grey and difficult.

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    I'd have a word with my captain and ask him to ask the referee for a clarification as to whether the injured player was being removed for a head injury. Seems fair enough for a captain to talk to the referee about this stuff?

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Or maybe more pertinently, their insurers...

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    Indeed.

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_A View Post
    I'd have a word with my captain and ask him to ask the referee for a clarification as to whether the injured player was being removed for a head injury. Seems fair enough for a captain to talk to the referee about this stuff?
    To ask? Of course. But the call is the referee's no one elses. UNLESS HIA is in place. I'd put the burden on the team to prove it was.

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    This year I've had
    - an U15 player knocked out stone cold at a ruck, and the coach said "I'll take him off for ten minutes and see how he feels"
    - someone wandering aimlessly, who said colours looked funny after a head knock. Tried to come back on after 10 minutes because he felt fine
    - a player who stayed down for a moment after a head knock and said he felt dizzy when I asked; his coach thought it was a bizarre reason not to allow him back on

    I fear the message isn't percolating through as fast and as clearly as we might like
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    The "win at all costs" mentality is alive and well.

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    The "win at all costs" mentality is alive and well.
    I don't even think it was competitiveness, just not seeing it as a problem and not making a fuss.

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    As does our game BELOW youth. Youth andabove must be appointed here. All "Age Grade" refs here have to have a WRU L1 license. They are postively encouraged to attend society and look to progress but many do not.

    I find your system of allowing refs with little or potentially very incorrect knowledge take control of games worrying. BUT the RFU must be happy.
    That is definitely NOT the system in England. All refs at youth levels and above must have completed the Level 2 refereeing the 15 a-side game qualification in order to be a referee. If Clubs are putting on games without qualified refs then it is absolutely at their own risk and not covered by RFU insurance.

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    The WR level 2 course I did required 2 years experience, a logbook of games/self-reflection and an improvement plan to pass... there must be a different qualification levels for different unions? It probably makes no sense to compare.

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    Wink Re: Knocked out but played on

    Lots of different courses have a level 2
    Last edited by crossref; 09-12-19 at 20:12.

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