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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    On a similar line. What if I'm playing and a ref allows this in a match I'm playing in. Should I intervene or would the ref not just think I'm trying to have one of their (the oppositions) players subbed off.

    I wouldn't want to come across as treading on my colleagues toes. I play in the same area my society is in.
    In general terms there is little worse than a player playing the "I'm a ref" card during game. But YES this is a little different.

    Very difficult for you to get involved. In that situation you are a player not a referee. Player safety is paramount. But very difficult to "interfere".

    I guess if you know the ref it would be a little easier to bring the subject up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    or even a ref such as this not even knowing about "no HIA" etc

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    This is just one reason why attendence at society meetings is so important.

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    This is just one reason why attendence at society meetings is so important.
    yes - but at least in England, its is common for youth matches and even lower level senior matches to not have a society ref but a "club ref", and very likely that person hasnt even done an ELRA but is using the laws etc based on what they expereince as a player themselves, what they see on TV, hear in the bar etc and similar non official sources.

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    On a related topic, I had a medical student try to assess himself after a head injury. I told him that, on my pitch he was just a player and not a medical expert. He did not like it ( it was two teams of medical students). I said to his skipper that were his player to be suffering from a HI, his medical judgment would possibly be compromised. That apart from there being no HIA.

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    In general terms there is little worse than a player playing the "I'm a ref" card during game. But YES this is a little different.

    Very difficult for you to get involved. In that situation you are a player not a referee. Player safety is paramount. But very difficult to "interfere".

    I guess if you know the ref it would be a little easier to bring the subject up.
    This is indeed the thing. In these contexts I'm a player, not an allocated ref. While I'm pretty junior and I know of at least 3 in my soc that still play, they're all considerably more senior than myself, so I wouldn't mind these guys having a wee word with me in a game I', reffing in that they're playing. But I'm a rookie ref, I would feel that it's difficult for me to do the same thing with a more experienced ref.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    yes - but at least in England, its is common for youth matches and even lower level senior matches to not have a society ref but a "club ref", and very likely that person hasnt even done an ELRA but is using the laws etc based on what they expereince as a player themselves, what they see on TV, hear in the bar etc and similar non official sources.

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    As does our game BELOW youth. Youth andabove must be appointed here. All "Age Grade" refs here have to have a WRU L1 license. They are postively encouraged to attend society and look to progress but many do not.

    I find your system of allowing refs with little or potentially very incorrect knowledge take control of games worrying. BUT the RFU must be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    This is indeed the thing. In these contexts I'm a player, not an allocated ref. While I'm pretty junior and I know of at least 3 in my soc that still play, they're all considerably more senior than myself, so I wouldn't mind these guys having a wee word with me in a game I', reffing in that they're playing. But I'm a rookie ref, I would feel that it's difficult for me to do the same thing with a more experienced ref.
    Off topic, BUT!

    Remember when they are playing and you are reffing they are just a player trying to con-vince you that they were legal. Players cheat, that included refs who are playing!

    I had to warn a good friend (REf and SH) that any more attempts to "abuse our friendship", he was going to "take a rest". He behaved after that.

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    BUT the RFU must be happy.
    Or maybe more pertinently, their insurers...

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    This is indeed the thing. In these contexts I'm a player, not an allocated ref. While I'm pretty junior and I know of at least 3 in my soc that still play, they're all considerably more senior than myself, so I wouldn't mind these guys having a wee word with me in a game I', reffing in that they're playing. But I'm a rookie ref, I would feel that it's difficult for me to do the same thing with a more experienced ref.
    An experienced ref would know to keep quiet and let the rookie ref the game without distraction.

    (but a severe safety issue could merit intervention, it's true)

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    On the whole, safety is surely a genuine dreason to "suggest" as a player to the ref whatever the concern is. Anything else shoud be schtumm (or I at leastc ant think of anything else).

    But I can also see it is a bit of a can of worms as "safety concerns" could come from non-refereeing players, coaches, blazers and even spectators etc. That's where it starts to get grey and difficult.

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