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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Quote Originally Posted by Jz558 View Post
    That is definitely NOT the system in England. All refs at youth levels and above must have completed the Level 2 refereeing the 15 a-side game qualification in order to be a referee. If Clubs are putting on games without qualified refs then it is absolutely at their own risk and not covered by RFU insurance.
    Don't shoot the messenger! This is the post I was responding to!

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    yes - but at least in England, its is common for youth matches and even lower level senior matches to not have a society ref but a "club ref", and very likely that person hasnt even done an ELRA but is using the laws etc based on what they expereince as a player themselves, what they see on TV, hear in the bar etc and similar non official sources.

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Also, in Wales, all rugby from youth upwards (L2 min) is appointed by a regional officer and at L3 for national league games. Ww are appointed to the game and not the home team so if there is a change the appointment officer has to agree the new fixture.

    For rugby up to U16 the clubs can self-appoint BUT the referee must have the WRU L1 (minimum). Tag has its own certificate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    UNLESS HIA is in place. I'd put the burden on the team to prove it was.
    I'd love to be in a game where HIA was in place as that would mean that I've reached (in England) Level 2 from my current Level 11! As has been pointed out the HIA protocol is only in place for elite adult rugby, so anywhere else it the 10 minute 'window' to assess suitability to play on doesn't exist.

    In the community game that I'm exposed to this isn't well understood, and there also seems to be a sense that the 'Headcase' approach (again, probably only England) of asking a few questions ("what's the score"; "what day is it"; "where are you playing"; etc) IS an HIA, and no appreciation that it's a tiny bit more detailed than that (it includes memory and balance tests).

    Another issue in the community game is that teams can create an amateur "HIA" due to the allowance of rolling substitutions, which means refs do need to try to stay on top and have their own view on whether Recognise & Remove needs to come into play.

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    Agreed.
    I had a physio tell me, definitively, that she was qualified to perform HIA and was taking a player off to perform one.

    She was certain she had been trained to do this and I could not convince her that HIA do not exist in merit table rugby ..

    (fortunately enough she concluded that the player in question failed her HIA so we never had to really fight about it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Agreed.
    I had a physio tell me, definitively, that she was qualified to perform HIA and was taking a player off to perform one.

    She was certain she had been trained to do this and I could not convince her that HIA do not exist in merit table rugby ..

    (fortunately enough she concluded that the player in question failed her HIA so we never had to really fight about it)
    Maybe she WAS qualified to do a HIA!

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    There is a Coach in our area who has never forgiven me for not allowing his HIA in a D2 Men's College match - so, broadly Level 10 in English speak.

    Kid goes off, clearly not well.
    On comes the replacement.
    8 minutes later, they want to bring the first kid back.
    "You made the replacement"
    Yes, for the HIA
    "Aaahhhh, there is no HIA"
    He's fine
    "Look, there is no HIA at this level. He went off with suspected concussion. he's staying off"

    I found out later the Coach, from Sith Efrika, used to have a job that involved hunting people with large dogs and then shooting them. When he is upset with referees - which happens a lot - he gets that kind of look in his eyes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Maybe she WAS qualified to do a HIA!
    If so, she would know that HIA only apply in elite rugby .

    I think she had done training on recognising symptom of concussion .. which is not the same thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Maybe she WAS qualified to do a HIA!
    REply: "that's nice! But we don't have them at this level".

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    Default Re: Knocked out but played on

    Player takes a shot to the head.

    Could you ask an Athletic Trainer/EMT to come on to the pitch and let you know if they suspect the player has a Head Injury? Even playing down a man while being assessed for potential Head Injury?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    Player takes a shot to the head.

    Could you ask an Athletic Trainer/EMT to come on to the pitch and let you know if they suspect the player has a Head Injury? Even playing down a man while being assessed for potential Head Injury?
    You could.......but then you MUST remove that player no matter what the EMT etc say!!

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