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    Question Saracens vs Munster European Rugby Champions Cup

    Sideline scuffle, as hooker loses his calm with opposition medic.



    To be honest, I am far more interested in what we think about the French referee’s use of the whistle and decision to penalize Black 10 for getting involved. In some respects it was all a thing of nothing. Further details online. Red missed the subsequent penalty, so the choice to penalize Black 10 didn’t gift 3 points to the also offending team.

    What’s the medic doing outside the technical area? (He had been on the pitch moments before, but didn’t look like he was returning to the technical area in the replay.) Why did Black 2 kick the ball towards him? & have this angry exchange?
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    Default Re: Saracens vs Munster European Rugby Champions Cup

    Too much whistle for me.

    Ive no problem with him penalising black 10 as he did run in from a distance to get involved.

    Basically he wanted a pen at that point because restarting the game with a scrum or a lineout immediately after a scuffle will only lead to more of the same.
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    Default Re: Saracens vs Munster European Rugby Champions Cup

    Yes I agree restarting with a lineout would not have ended well. But most of Munster’s backs had also run in to join the fray. Perhaps he was getting fed-up with Owen Farrell constantly bending his ear all game. Not really painting the right pictures in the match referee’s mind was he?

    Blowing repeatedly like that wasn’t helping anything.
    Referee: Pascal Gauzère
    Assistant Referee 1: Maxime Chalon
    AR2: Jonathan Dufort
    TMO: Eric Gauzins
    Citing Commissioner: Stefano Marrama


    Red captain came close to getting a yellow card later for repeated team offenses in the red zone. Perhaps his tactic of keeping his mouth shut helped him there.
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    Default Re: Saracens vs Munster European Rugby Champions Cup

    The rumour is that the Munster physio made reference to Jamie George's weight in a less than flattering way.

    Farrell is the Captain and so will speak to the referee. As a team Saracens want to know how they can improve in phase play and the captain - whoever it is on the day - will seek clarification from the referee to ensure that the offence is not repeated.
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    Not sure if you watched the game or the short replay. Owen Farrell wouldn’t let the match referee alone.
    Tag rugby laws: All players must respect the authority of the referee. They must not dispute the referee’s decisions. They must stop playing at once when the referee blows the whistle except at starts and restarts. The captain is the only player who can make a comment to the referee.
    The team captain may raise a concern with the match referee, however OF is NOT entitled to dispute the referee’s decision for two whole bloody minutes. He chatter was incessant. the full 80 minutes he would not let it lie. While you kinda come to expect it from yappy nines, not so much from the team captain. Hardly professional behaviour. Leinster’s Jonathan Sexton has a similar whingy approach with refs.

    If the team of four had ensured that Red medic had returned to the technical area asap the whole incident could have been avoided. I am unaware what the doctor might have said. However I am of the opinion the hooker should not have been aggressively threatening to a member of the opposition’s coaching staff either.

    Black 2 is twice the size of the medic, surely a curt “Shut your trap, midget! Before someone shuts it for you.“ would have sufficed. Instead of taking offense.
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    Default Re: Saracens vs Munster European Rugby Champions Cup

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    ........While you kinda come to expect it from yappy nines, not so much from the team captain. Hardly professional behaviour.

    ....... the hooker should not have been aggressively threatening to a member of the opposition’s coaching staff either.

    ......Shut your trap, midget! Before someone shuts it for you.“ would have sufficed. Instead of taking offense.
    Mixed messages from you there!!!!

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    Default Re: Saracens vs Munster European Rugby Champions Cup

    Would like to have seen from a bit earlier, but as Jamie George is walking away you hear the ref blow his whistle and shout ‘come here’ and then it kicks off, so whatever happened there it seemed significant enough to warrant the refs involvement - did he take action after the handbags?

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    If you listen the referee’s chat with both captains afterwards, he tells Red there is no high tackle, and the restart should be a lineout, except Black 10 had run in to get involved from so far away, that now the restart was to be a penalty against Black 10 for getting involved.

    So he didn’t properly address the handbags. Needless to say the niggle didn’t go away by itself.
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    Default Re: Saracens vs Munster European Rugby Champions Cup

    I am not fully up to date with European Rugby regs but as far as I know in RFU land medics and physios are not tied to being in the technical area. This is because of the need to act swiftly if necessary or to monitor players that may be carrying injuries during the game.
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    You may be right, he might have been heading toward a suspected high tackle/jersey scragged, only to realise the player was fine.

    Champions Cup organisers are investigating the incident.

    Munster say they do not know what caused the fight, while a statement from organisers European Professional Club Rugby (EPCR) said: "Information will now be sought from the match officials and from both clubs, and EPCR will be making no further comment until the investigation has been conducted.


    In any case Black 2 kicks the ball into touch, at the medic’s feet and as he bends down to pick it up a heated discussion ensues.
    Last edited by L'irlandais; 15-12-19 at 18:12.
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