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    Default Pulling a player from the ruck/tackle

    Guys, Some help please. Watching a game on Saturday one side, when defending a ruck after a tackle, would pull the attacking players from the ruck towards the defence's try line ie. through the ruck, to try (I think) and create space for a counter ruck. I was asked after the game by my clubs coach if this was legal. Is it?

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    Default Re: Pulling a player from the ruck/tackle

    No. Without referring to any specific laws -not binding, collapsing ruck, playing player without ball. Usually managed rather than penalised depending on materiality.

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    Funnily enough I got pulled up on this last season when I let it happen. One Coach wasn't happy his side weren't given a PK and politely suggested I check. I asked around a couple of Refs and all told me it was a PK offence. A couple suggested it was collapsing the Ruck, but whatever it was for, every one of them seemed to agree it was a PK offence.

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    Default Re: Pulling a player from the ruck/tackle

    Whilst it is specifically mentioned in the current Law book in relation to the Maul (11.11.b) it is no longer mentioned in the current rewrite of the LotG.

    IIRC it was specifically mentioned in the previous Laws, but currently you can use 15.16.b
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    Default Re: Pulling a player from the ruck/tackle

    Or 15.7 / 15.10

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    Default Re: Pulling a player from the ruck/tackle

    There are several that you could apply outside of Law 15. Try law 9 - 9.20c is fairly specific!

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    Default Re: Pulling a player from the ruck/tackle

    Collapsing a ruck.... if pulling a player out of a ruck is collapsing a ruck, why do we allow Crocodile rolls to the side. Surely this is the same thing?

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    Default Re: Pulling a player from the ruck/tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    Collapsing a ruck.... if pulling a player out of a ruck is collapsing a ruck, why do we allow Crocodile rolls to the side. Surely this is the same thing?
    When you croc roll you have to bind on. Pulling does not involve binding. Hence my first post on this thread. All I, and other posters, are saying is that it is illegal and there are several laws that you can enforce if required and prove your case if you are asked in the bar afterwards as to why it is illegal. It is illegal entry to the ruck by not binding. If the pulling results in collapsing then use 9.20c. If it doesn’t result in a collapse because you have managed the situation you can argue in the bar that you were using 9.20c because most pulling does result in a collapse so you prevented a penalty. “Thanks. Well done ref”!

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    Default Re: Pulling a player from the ruck/tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by Arabcheif View Post
    Collapsing a ruck.... if pulling a player out of a ruck is collapsing a ruck, why do we allow Crocodile rolls to the side. Surely this is the same thing?
    "We" allow gator rolls because TPTB have told us.
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    Default Re: Pulling a player from the ruck/tackle

    They are allowed because, despite the possible dangers if not done correctly, they are deemed to be a positive action to aid fluidity. There is nothing positive that can come out of ‘pulling’. (As far as I can work out!)

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