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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post
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    If you were going to contrive a situation. What if the player who retrieved the knock on cross kicked the ball to a teammate still in the in-goal who then decided not to run but touch down. Normally kicking is sufficient to end knock on advantage (tactical).
    If you consider that kicking means advantage over (which is indeed normally the case) ... then your scenario doesn't even need the second player .. the kick could just go into TIG
    Last edited by crossref; 4 Weeks Ago at 10:01.

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Perhaps in most cases kicking means advantage over however surely there is an implication that the outcome of the kick at least gives territorial advantage to the non-offending team.

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Quote Originally Posted by timmad View Post
    Perhaps in most cases kicking means advantage over however surely there is an implication that the outcome of the kick at least gives territorial advantage to the non-offending team.
    Further back in the thread, the perceived problem is that they get "too much" territorial advantage !
    Last edited by crossref; 4 Weeks Ago at 11:01.

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Quote Originally Posted by frenchie851 View Post
    I was watching a game today, if the attacking team knock the ball on into the dead ball area, defensive team then touch it down, would you give the option of the knock on or 22?

    I have been giving this option but then I saw a game today in The Champ Cup and the option wasn't given.
    For clarity ... If this happened in my game (a knock on from the FoP into the ingoal, where defenders touch down) I would also give a defending scrum on the 5m line .. simply because that is what everyone is expecting.

    Law debates are good fun online , but unwelcome on field.

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post

    There is no such thing as "too much advantage"
    Tell that to my assessor!

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Oh no!!! Not again!!!
    PRINCIPLE
    If a team gains an advantage following an infringement by their opponents, the referee may allow play to continue in an effort to keep the game flowing.


    By making the ball dead you are stopping play and thereby killing the concept of advantage.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
    The Referee by John Dryden

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    I had one recently where there was a knock on prior to the goal line, which then went to touch in goal. I gave a 22 DO. Is this wrong and if so why?
    No, I think that's the correct call as the defenders haven't chosen to make the ball dead.

    The 5m defensive scrum is in place to discourage a touchdown for a 22DO.

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    No, I think that's the correct call as the defenders haven't chosen to make the ball dead.

    The 5m defensive scrum is in place to discourage a touchdown for a 22DO.
    Although if the attackers send the ball into the in goal without a knock on, we see no problem at all in the defenders touching it down and getting a 22m DO ..

    Attackers effectively get rewarded for the knock on ..

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Quote Originally Posted by frenchie851 View Post
    I was watching a game today, if the attacking team knock the ball on into the dead ball area, defensive team then touch it down, would you give the option of the knock on or 22?

    I have been giving this option but then I saw a game today in The Champ Cup and the option wasn't given.
    Hard to answer as what is the "dead ball area" and where did the KO happen?

    But basically any KO in the FOP that goes in goal and is made dead by a touchdown is a 5m defending scrum restart.

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Quote Originally Posted by timmad View Post
    Perhaps in most cases kicking means advantage over however surely there is an implication that the outcome of the kick at least gives territorial advantage to the non-offending team.
    Only for a scrum advantage.

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