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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    They’ve still made it dead in the goal area.
    Thereby killing off the possibility of gaining a genuine advantage.
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    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    So is it no advantage or too much advantage?
    The player had not gained any advantage before making the ball dead.

    Why are people so keen to find a legalistic argument to get round the normal natural decision of awarding a scrum for a knock-on???

    Do you really think this sort of chopperesque stuff is helping any aspiring referees?
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    I think you are using legalistic arguments to avoid giving the defenders the advantage they want after the knock on (ie to play on, and touch down for a 22 , just as they would be able to do if the knock on hadn't happened)

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    but it did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I think you are using legalistic arguments
    NO!!!
    I am trying make rugby sense of the laws, and I have a very good historical precedent from the 2016 Laws
    12.1 THE OUTCOME OF A KNOCK-ON OR THROW FORWARD
    (a) Unintentional knock-on or throw forward. A scrum is awarded at the place of
    infringement.
    (b) Unintentional knock-on or throw forward at a lineout. A scrum is awarded 15 metres
    from the touchline.
    (c) Knock-on or throw forward into the in-goal. If an attacking player knocks-on or throws forward
    in the field of play and the ball goes into the opponents’ in-goal and it is made dead
    there, a scrum is awarded where the knock-on or throw forward happened.
    (d) Knock-on or throw forward inside the in-goal. If a player of either team knocks-on or
    throws-forward inside the in-goal, a 5-metre scrum is awarded in line with the place of
    infringement not closer than 5 metres from the touchline.
    (My bold)
    That wording was in the Laws from the 2000 re-write on, so it is what players should be used to. Unfortunately the lax wording in the new laws is unhelpful. However it is perfectly possible to interpret it in the 2016 sense. I claim that makes Rugby sense.

    to avoid giving the defenders the advantage they want after the knock on (ie to play on, and touch down for a 22 , just as they would be able to do if the knock on hadn't happened)
    What they have "earned" is the right to a scrum. A 22 would be something given to them by the referee getting it wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    I agree.

    My worry is that some eager tyro might be misled.
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    I agree as well !

    To restate .. in the example in the OP I would advise everyone to give a scrum. Out on the pitch tomorrow I would give a scrum

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    This forum would be very dull if this particular topic was re-debated with the exact same arguments every season.

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    You seem to be implying that you base certain decisions on how a team are performing.....level out the playing field as such!
    Not levelling the playing field, as I've said if a team is getting hammered and the result is irrelevant and I've got a decision to make involving a potential safety issue, I'm giving a 22DO all day long.
    I think it's called empathy 😉
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