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    Default Re: Offside at scrum

    I don’t think you can retire 4.9 meters. You have to get back 5 m before prior to start of play .

    On the other hand as in law . 30. After the scrum begins he could do as scrum begins is defined . 16 The scrum begins when the ball leaves the hands of the scrum-half.

    What is the meaning of start of play which is also in law 2.6 . If by this it means there is a stop for a sanction and a scrum is ordered for play to start and before it starts?.

    Law 2.16/ Its air pressure at the start of play is 65.71-68.75 kilopascals, 0.67-0.70 kilograms per square centimetre or 9.5-10.0 pounds per square inch.
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    Default Re: Offside at scrum

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    I’m not sure what your point is. There is nothing inconsistent or confusing in that wording.

    Point is What is the meaning of start of play which is also in law 2.6

    Its air pressure at the start of play is 65.71-68.75 kilopascals, 0.67-0.70 kilograms per square centimetre or 9.5-10.0 pounds per square inch.


    18.6 The scrum begins when the ball leaves the hands of the scrum-half.

    If we go by law 2.6 then there is a stop for an infringement which calls for a scrum. Start of play possibly means before the process of scrum as against scrum begins ?
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    Default Re: Offside at scrum

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    So it would be sensible for him to retire only 4.9m to retain the right to come back closer? I am never going to police that!
    I don’t think you can retire 4.9 meters. You have to get back 5 m prior to start of play .

    On the other hand as in law . 30. After the scrum begins he could do as scrum begins is defined . 16 The scrum begins when the ball leaves the hands of the scrum-half.

    What is the meaning of start of play which is also in law 2.6 . If by this it means there is a stop for a sanction and a scrum is ordered for play to start and before it starts?.

    Law 2.16/ Its air pressure at the start of play is 65.71-68.75 kilopascals, 0.67-0.70 kilograms per square centimetre or 9.5-10.0 pounds per square inch.
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    Default Re: Offside at scrum

    Quote Originally Posted by vimpe22 View Post
    I don’t think you can retire 4.9 meters. You have to get back 5 m prior to start of play .

    On the other hand as in law . 30. After the scrum begins he could do as scrum begins is defined . 16 The scrum begins when the ball leaves the hands of the scrum-half.

    What is the meaning of start of play which is also in law 2.6 . If by this it means there is a stop for a sanction and a scrum is ordered for play to start and before it starts?.

    Law 2.16/ Its air pressure at the start of play is 65.71-68.75 kilopascals, 0.67-0.70 kilograms per square centimetre or 9.5-10.0 pounds per square inch.
    Before the ball is put in the scrum the non-putting in scrum half has to stand beside the putting in scrum half or he has to retire 5m behind the scrum (like all the other backs)

    After the ball is put in, he has three options (although I don't see what 3 is about)
    1 he can follow the other s/h and as long as he stays on that side of and close to the scrum his offside line is both feet behind the ball.

    2 If he wants to move away from the scrum or round the other side his offside line becomes the back foot of his pack in the scrum.

    3 For some reason he can also retire 5m from the scrum and stay there. Why is he bound to stay there when his offside line is back foot?

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    Default Re: Offside at scrum

    Quote Originally Posted by vimpe22 View Post
    My point was what is the difference in play starts in 28 as against scrum begins in 29 .
    The ball is dead, and the forwards assemble. Play starts as the referee calls "crouch". The scrum begins when the ball is fed in.

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    Default Re: Offside at scrum

    In practice I don't think I have ever seen a 9 retire back to 5m line ...

    To the back foot, often, this allows them to cover both sides of the scrum. But I can't see why they'd really want to drop back to 5m ?

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    Default Re: Offside at scrum

    Apart from not being allowed in the pocket between flanker and No8 I don't think I've ever really thought deeply about where the defending scrum-half may or may not stand during a scrum. I've certainly never been asked for clarity on the subject. Last week this thread pops up and on Sunday morning I was asked how I would interpret the law by a Coach before kick-off. The rugby world occasionally moves in mysterious ways.

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