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    Default U14 Rugby - Lineout

    As U14 lineouts are uncontested and the age related variation states the " a lineout ends when the ball or player carrying it leaves the the lineout or the ball goes beyond the 15m or intot he 5m channel" are you able to create a maul?

    My thoughts are by creating a maul you are creating a vehilce for both teams to contest which is against the directive of uncontested lineouts.

    Any advice greatly appreciated.

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    Default Re: U14 Rugby - Lineout

    Hi,
    You haven’t said which Union you are in. It will influence the answer to you question.
    Quote Originally Posted by RFU
    The contest for possession can start once the player who catches the ball has safely returned to the ground. The non-throwing team cannot contest possession whilst the ball is in the air.
    In England the lineout maul is fine. No contest in the air, is what is meant. This may be different in other Unions.
    Last edited by L'irlandais; 26-01-20 at 13:01.

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    Default Re: U14 Rugby - Lineout

    In IRFUland there is no lifting in the lineout but there is a 'contest' and a maul may be formed.

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    Default Re: U14 Rugby - Lineout

    It is is the Uk but your resposne does not make sense.

    They are not aloud to lift therefore they are not on the air.

    The law states contest and does not differentiate between floor or air. Therefore a maul, which by nature, is a contest action is not permitted.

    The full law clearly states that a maul is OK from the lineout and clearly specifies the criteria for when the lineout is over namely that" when all the feet of all players in the maul move beyond the line of touch"

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    Default Re: U14 Rugby - Lineout

    Well perhaps you can link to the latest version of RFU U14 laws. That was from a 2016 version where U14 and U15 were grouped together (apparently). If today the lift is only allowed in U15,then you are more up to date with local variations than I can hope to be here in Eastern France. It seems clear to me that the lineout throw is not contested, but afterwards a contest/ maul is permitted.

    Here it is
    15. The Lineout:
    (Introduction of the uncontested lineout.)
    b) The ball must be thrown down the middle of the channel. If the throw is not straight, a lineout will be awarded to the opposing team. If this throw is not straight, a scrum will be awarded to the (team originally awarded the line out) on the 15m line.


    From this page RFU Regulations . Unfortunately the Laws are poorly written, so they only mention what they want respected. However if the maul was specifically forbidden at lineout time, I do honestly think they would say so under U14 variations. That is to say, if it’s not mentioned in the variation, then the LoTG apply.

    U14 in France Regulations in French forbid lifting in the lineout; no mention of uncontested lineouts that I can see. Interesting that the tackle is from waist down and the ballcarrier must not dip into the tackle (freekick). As the player who makes the tackle dangerous will be systematically sent off.
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    Default Re: U14 Rugby - Lineout

    Quote Originally Posted by Willehj View Post
    It is is the Uk but your resposne does not make sense.

    They are not aloud to lift therefore they are not on the air.

    The law states contest and does not differentiate between floor or air. Therefore a maul, which by nature, is a contest action is not permitted.

    The full law clearly states that a maul is OK from the lineout and clearly specifies the criteria for when the lineout is over namely that" when all the feet of all players in the maul move beyond the line of touch"

    Which part of the UK? In Wales U14s play WR youth laws.
    Last edited by Marc Wakeham; 26-01-20 at 14:01.

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    Default Re: U14 Rugby - Lineout

    Rugby "VARIATIONS" are just that. The Laws of the game (WR) apply UNLESS a union imposes a further restriction. That is the WR Lawbook appliessubject to specified arariation beeing in place.


    As the RFU U14 variations do not disallow a maul AFTER the catcher lands then it is safe to assume the maul is allowed.

    Of course as stated previously we need t onow where in the UK you are referring to.

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    Default Re: U14 Rugby - Lineout

    All good stuff.

    Below the English U14 variation dated 1 August 2019.

    15. The Lineout:a) The lineout will be awarded from the touchline level with where the ball crossedthe line, to the opponents of the player who touched the ball before it went intotouch.b) The ball must be thrown down the middle of the channel. If the throw is notstraight, a lineout will be awarded to the opposing team. If this throw is notstraight, a scrum will be awarded to the (team originally awarded the line out) onthe 15m line.c) The lineout will be uncontested by up to 13 players from each teamd) No lifting or supporting of any kind is allowed.e) Players not involved in the lineout must remain 10 metres behind the mark andmust do so until invited forward by the referee.f) The lineout ends when the ball or a player carrying it leaves the lineout or the ballgoes beyond the 15m or into the 5m channel.

    No mention of lifting as this comes in at U15.

    Therefore clubs have interpreted the law as not allowing any contest at the lineout and others have coached mauls as an option.

    Very confusing as the word contested has not been clarified and therefore as the law is written there shoudl be no contest until lineout over as per f) above.

    Thoughts!

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    Default Re: U14 Rugby - Lineout

    Well, three of us have given our thoughts already. To further help. If yo ulook at other age groups the maul is specifically banned. Here it is not. Whilst the lineout is not over until certain conditions apply the "contestú for the ball is Logically the jump and catch part. Again that is dealt with, No as this age group does not prohibit the maul we can assume it is now allowed.

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    Default Re: U14 Rugby - Lineout

    Lets agree to disgree until hopefully the RFU answer my email and give a difinitive definition.

    However uncontested is used for the scrum and if we ue that wording and giudance then it should aslo apply to the lineout

    Uncontested scrum: A scrum in which the team throwing-in gains possession without contest, with neither team being allowed to push from the mark.

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